Springfield Airsoft
General Category => General Airsoft => Topic started by: jesusfreak101112 on November 09, 2010, 06:03:04 PM
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I am going to get a molle plate carrier and pouches to go on it and I cant decide which carrier I want and what pouches I will need. Any suggestions?
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I like the FSBE style ones. mainly personal preference though.
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Depends on what and how much you want to carry. I'm fond of the triple mag pouches. Each pouch holds either 3 M4 or 2 AK mags. They can also be used to carry water bottles, Tornado grenades, loaders and whatnot. There are usually 2 or 3 pouches to each unit.
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This one is very similar to the one I have and run...
EDIT: Link to nonsponsoring retailer removed. Please link to So Go or directly to manufacturer's site.
Mine came with a triple m4 pouch system, admin pouch ( seems a bit big on that one to me , but it works.), and a up-right utility pouch.
I've since modded it out more adding a few tactical placed pistol mags ( I like running pistols in Sogo's , and when not , holding a couple speed loaders just in case.).
(http://www.airsoftpost.com/images/large/Vest_CPC003_all_lg.jpg)
The only things about this one... it lacks cumberbund/side panel options... which works for me cause I use drop legs for other things, and it's easier to bend down and maneuver even when it's loaded. Not a bad price for a PC either.
I originally ordered OD green one, but I got sent a ACU Digi one due to a mess up... but they sent me a free Woodland Condor assault cross draw vest to compensate ( they ran out of OD stock as I emailed them on their mess up. ) .. I like the vest just fine, would be great for games where I didn't have to bend or squat very much...,but the PC feels a bit better in my opinion.
I bought an OD green Condor Hydro system from Jon at Sogo's , which beautifully mounted on this light PC , and in my opinion improved it's "look".
There are no "dummy plates" with this PC system... it's actually stiff enough you don't need them, and you don't feel BB hits ( just hear them) when it's nailed. Either way Plates are cheap, and would stiffen it more if desired... or like my buddy said, cut some cardboard inserts, myself for a more custom fit if I wanted.
I used mine in CQB on the 4rth of this month... was very impressed with my mobility, ease of getting to my gear, and it was comfortable.
Full loaded it's still very light, and load bearing. I think mine weighs 9 pounds total, w/full water, metal mags and full BBs.
Quality wise, it's probably not the best. I doubt one of these will last more than three years if heavily used, maybe less than that... but for a year or two of use, and at that price, isn't too bad.
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And or a Cod piece
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And or a Cod piece
Reverend, you sound pretty certain about the importance of a codpiece. Would there be any reason for such a specfic suggestion?
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LOL yes! there is one
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I've heard stories from Cody and Chris about groin shots...
adding a cup to my budget now :)
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Well ill tell you right now... saturday was one of the most painfull moments in my life!
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i have never seen anyone so unable to move in my life. looked painful, is everything still attached? :D
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Yea everything is still attached. Everything is good i will tell you now that forever more i will be wearing a cup no if's and's or buts!!!!
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I popped one of the guys in CQB in the nards accidentally with my pistol, fresh gas load.
I felt really bad about it, but there was at least 30 feet between us when I shot him, so I don't think it hurt him that much.
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Well ... ill tell you what dragon i got shot right in the whole... i mean dead center of the whole. It was the most painful thing evar! If you would have seen it you would have known it lol i do not wish this on anyone even my worst enemy's. Anyways joe was there he saw lol
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I'm glad I didn't.. might scar my psyke to where I wouldn't play with-out a metal plate or something, lol!
...
" we're playing airsoft today!"
" are you using PROTECTION?"
hahahaha!
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the tactical cup!
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HAHA im glade my misfortune is funny for you guys lol
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Well, if you're looking for a plate carrier, here is what I would suggest: The Condor MOPC. Here is a video review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js3A_-cJEIM
If you want a chest rig only, here is the video review for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aJDFEJHpY
Nutnfancy is a really good gear reviewer, and the options above are really high-value options. Good luch choosing your gear!
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HAHA im glade my misfortune is funny for you guys lol
"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die."
--Mel Brooks
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HAHA im glade my misfortune is funny for you guys lol
"Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die."
--Mel Brooks
Props for the Mel Brooks quote. haha
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Well, if you're looking for a plate carrier, here is what I would suggest: The Condor MOPC. Here is a video review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js3A_-cJEIM
If you want a chest rig only, here is the video review for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aJDFEJHpY
Nutnfancy is a really good gear reviewer, and the options above are really high-value options. Good luch choosing your gear!
I dont think i have seen this before... i still think a swat vest mis better for CQB
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yeah nutinfancy is the best!
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Well, if you're looking for a plate carrier, here is what I would suggest: The Condor MOPC. Here is a video review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js3A_-cJEIM
That is very similar to my ( Much cheaper ) condor PC. Mine just doesn't have the side options/cumber bun.
At first I thought I would miss the real-estate those side panels offer, and I did when looking for places to mount extra pistol mags. ( I like whipping the m229 or 24/7 out in Sogos frequently.)
But after using the PC, I've noticed,, there's nothing there to get in the way. I have more mobility , and my sling doesn't catch on anything on my sides, and it allows for a lower profile.
It's kinda a trade off, between carrying a bit extra gear on the system, or a more comfortable, more mobility fit.
It is comfortable though. Even with a hydro on the back, full of water... I'm aware the weight is there from it being loaded, but it carries very nice. I've worn it all day at Sogo's and out on the field, and it didn't bother me once.
I can get up and down easily in it too... squatting is no issue.
For extra real-estate, I do use a web pistol belt ( Alice/Malice compatible) , where I hang some extras. I drop legged my side-arm. I have an extra Canteen on the belt ( you can never carry too much water.), a dump pouch on the belt. ( the dump pouch was actually a drop leg pouch, but it was bulky and didn't feel right on the leg, so I converted it.) The belt would allow me to use more pistol mags if needed, and i still have my left leg free for a drop leg platform if i desired more molle real-estate.
That way, I still can carry my systems, configure different load-outs, and still retain comfort and mobility.
I kinda wish mine was multi-cam , other than ACU... but it was a shipping/product mistake from where I ordered it, and the company made up for it ( the original was out of stock.) by sending a woodland/multi-cam tac vest that I loan out to folks now.
It came with some pouches. It's tough to configure the pouches just where you want them, because of the contour shape , some of the webs don't exactly line up from row to row. On the top is narrower, so it's missing a web row, where the bottom has one or two more.
However, I found how to make it work...
Came with a triple AR mag pouch, not kangaroo. I both like that feature and hate it. I like the secure fold-over Velcro pouches, assures me no dirt or falling out mags, but it's slightly not as fast as a kangaroo. Plus, when you are trying to be quiet... there's the "KKKRRRIIIICCKKK" sound.
These mags fit AR mags decent, a snug fit for g36 and AK mags, but if you don't mind wrestling those out a bit, will hold them. Each AR pouch will house 3 MP5 mags nicely though! I could carry nine extra mags for the MP5 ( perfect for Sogo's) plus one in the gun.
Came with a up-right utility pouch. This pouch has molle real-estate on it, so you can mount something on it's front if desired too. I carry my balaclava and death rag in it... shove any extras ( candy-bar) into it. It's not huge, just kinda big enough.
Came with a big style admin pouch. I think a smaller admin would work much better... but this one does work. It has a suppressor/flashlight velcro closed pouch on it, two slots for the admin pouch to house maps, plans, notebook... ect. I'm pretty sure it'd snug in a pen or something to, but I usually don't carry one of those. Has a velcro area on the front, lots of room for patches.
I've added two pistol pouches on it's front... I'm still trying to configure those a bit better.
Latest addition was the Condor OD green Hydro Carrier ... which is super nice to have. Bought at Sogo's, and if you guys don't have one, Jon can probably hook you up! It has real-estate webbing too. So a shot-gun scabbard, or back mounted options are possible. Everything is kinda hard to reach back there though... so think about it before adding any system and all that.
( I think D-9 plans on putting a few extra mag pouches on our backs there, carry extras so a team mate could grab one if needed and go. ) Along with water, you can never carry too much usable ammo.
I've been looking for a butt-pack/pouch to go on the bottom side of the hydro carrier. Something to carry extras in for those places where play is extended. Just big enough to carry a few bottles of ammo, a bag of ammo... but I don't want it too bulky , that would ruin the profile in many positions.
Of course mine isn't for real steel like Nutnfancy's was. It was made for airsoft specifically.
I don't have plates in the carrier... it's really stiff enough, they aren't needed, and I could buy the 18 dollar foam padded plates that fit it from somewhere, or I could go a cheaper route and just custom cut some cardboard or foam board and shove up in there if I was worried about it. I'm not though. I can get hit in the PC by a 500FPS .30 and won't feel it at all. I hear it, but don't feel it.
Over-all I give it 4 bullets out of 5. It is comfortable, even wearing it all day. It's practical, and configurable.
I love it, and like it 10 times better than your standard cross-draw tac vest. ( SWAT Vest ) .
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Dragon... i love how your so thero... i mean dude for real you get everything out there... just takes me forever to go thru it all lol. Your like an Airsoft Wikipidiea... a Dragonsoftpidia if you would...
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Hahaha!
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write a book!
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The way these guys say it.. I could only stop short of writing a entire encyclopedia, lol.
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go for it!!!
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Its truth bro!
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well....
I can't write anymore about the PC. I said all I know about it already.
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Ok so whats the big differnce between molle and tac?
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I'm not sure I understand the question... but I'll give it a crack.
Molle is the tac gear that has webbing that accepts gear fairly easily. It's all connected by straps... where as Alice gear used Alice or Malice clips to hold everything in place more or less. I am pretty sure you can put almost anything ALICE on a Molle too if desired.
Molle means it's configurable... that you take a base ( the vest or PC ) and can put what you want on it, gives options to pick and choose what you carry for the mission you are going to do. You can configure sever different load-outs for the same base if wanted. ( like if you decide to use pistols only in Sogo... you could set it up for a pistol load out. Next week, your going to play a field game, so you re-do it and put your rifle pouches on it... ect. ) You can arrange it how you like, and works best for you.
Most Tac vest ... if they aren't Molle ( configurable pouches more or less ) have fixed mag pouches, and utility pouches on them.
A full vest and some Plate Carriers ( PCs) cover the entire torso of an operator. Most these full cover options, when loaded ( full of mags, and gear) can weight a hefty amount... and in my opinion, limit mobility. I had found it hard to squat down, or even just bend over while staying low a bit difficult at times wearing, especially when loaded. ( Mags don't "bend" when you do. ) It generally forces you to keep your torso straighter , having to rely on bending at the knees more than bending at the waist. Doing that, sometimes you can't duck or get down quick enough to save you when someone pops shots at you.. or simply can't get down low enough. ( like behind a low wall, or structure, and still remain in a up-right, non prone position.)
In real life , real battle situations... you'd probably want to loose mobility, for the extra protection... but in airsoft I personally feel mobility is far better than heavy protection.
Tac vest... are just that. Tactical Vest. It is put on, and worn like a vest. Some real tac vest are lined with bullet proof material, or rated to stop bullets by kevlar and other absorbing impact systems.
Airsoft vest are modeled after these... usually with all the pouches you'd generally need for the job they are designed for. ( usually Urban Assault , like SWAT team, or Urban CQB environments. )
A PC .. is worn somewhat like a vest, but it straps or buckles on , and uses actual plates for extra heavy armor protection. Some have some other impact absorbing weaves built in on top of using plates.
A real PC plates are 7 pounds each for the lightest rating plates... and go up from there.
pretty good at stopping bullet shots that would normally injure you or kill you... but ... they aren't 100% protection either.
Most PCs are designed to be load bearing... which means weight is generally displaced across the stronger parts of your body, so the weight doesn't seem as heavy when carrying gear. ( Like your waist and shoulders.)
( Just like a Kevlar helmet PSGT issued by Army Infantry to it's foot soldiers... will stop a 50 cal bullet in a direct hit... saving a hole in your head... but it will not stop the force of the bullet from breaking your neck on impact. It's situational in both the PCs and Helmet... giving you a 50% better chance to survive... depending on what exactly and how exactly it happened. Very situational. )
Airsoft PCs are much lighter ( unless you are hardcore and use an actual Eagle PC system. ) thank goodness. Now they come out with the RAVs and Modular FOX , and MOPC systems for airsoft... it's a bit easier to have a realistic looking system, but much more comfortable and mobile base to use.
Unlike a "chest rig" ... both the VEST and PCs offer back options, where it's easier to have water carriers , and extra gear for your load outs. Chest rigs are generally juts designed for carrying all the ammo you need for a mission and mags in most cases, any extras like water, ect... have to be provided another way... or extra stuff you'd wear like a back pack are needed for extended duty/assault.
Alright, there's ya another chapter in Dragonpedia to read, lol!
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you lie!!!
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How so? ???
I mean, I never claimed to be an expert... and I probably gave too much info... and didn't quite understand what was asked, so I gave a very general answer based on my own observations and experience.
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im jk im messing with you
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oh, .. lol....
I even went and researched some of what I didn't know 100% cause I was worried I misled someone. Good one J
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"dont be crazy!" - Nacho Libre
lol well glad to hear that you like straight facts
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Hey there is no better then straight facts bro. I mean if we were wrong about everything we suggested then people would not take any advice. What would happen if you really knew something about a subject but they didnt head your warning... boy who cryied wolf. (This made no sense when i typed it but im keeping it anyway lol. Ill figure out what i mean later when im not so tired.)
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well wake up!
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wow Dragonpedia FTW! :D
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well anywaysback to the matter at hand molle vests and pouches. Now what kind of pouchs does everyone suggest for stuff... p90 clips and stuff of the like
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Bull Pups are not my thing, so I really have no idea.
I am not even sure what size the mags are for a p90 to be honest. ... but I know you could always magwell convert one to accept AR mags ( M16/m4 mags ) ... then most pouches and accessories would fit those nicely.
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well anywaysback to the matter at hand molle vests and pouches. Now what kind of pouchs does everyone suggest for stuff... p90 clips and stuff of the like
My limited experience with P90 magazines is this:
SAW and M4/AK magazine pouches are too short for P90 magazines. Suppressor and MP5 magazine pouches are too short and too narrow.
Flare pouches are a perfect fit for P90 magazines. They have elastic at the closed end that makes closing the pouch a little rough at first. The elastic will wear in with time and use.
You can also use a medium to large dump pouch for P90 magazines. Put the P90 magazines one end up and they're loaded and ready. Place the other end up and they need to be reloaded. This way you can tell, at a touch, which magazines are good to go.
There are forum members with more P90 experience. Perhaps one or more of you could chime in with your thoughts and experiences?
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I. Hate. P90. Mag. Size. lol
I have a P90 mag pouch, and it is TIGHT. Have to really wrestle that sucker in and out. I usually do like Joe said and use my dump pouch.
I also made a dropleg system for that P90 mag pouch, so it's lower and I can get more leverage to pull it out.
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Wow is it really that hard?
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you'd think as popular as the p90 got all a sudden, they'd make more molle options for it.
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You'd think!
Honestly the best option in my opinion is just make your own pouch, or have grandma do it.
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haha ya! :)
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The grandma idea is acually reallly good... o wait i dont have one with Mom just work?
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actually if the sweet little old lady at church knows how to sew, ask her. xD
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LOL wth
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Im looking for a molle vest or tact vest for my Beagle any ideas outthere?
I found doggles though!
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http://www.signaturek9.com/Store/Nylon-Harnesses/Modular-Ultimate-Load-Bearing-Harness#
Found it along with some doggles Combat Beagle The Airsoft Hound!
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lol, tacticool K-9 units. ;D
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That is soooo awesome you stole my idea!!! I would LOVE an airsoft dog unit! You should train him/her to bark hits and go to respawns! lol
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sorry i wouldnt shoot the dog :/
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I might but only if he was armed somehow. How the heck would u do that? ??? ??? ???
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I have posted it before but I will have to go back and find it. I put our Claymores on my dog. It was basically a suicide vest that I could control with our wireless remote. I'll see if I can find the pictures.
But with that said I am sure this needs to get back on topic. Please...
Jon
So Go Airsoft
Supercell
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i wanted to make a suicide vest with some claymores :D give a nearbny buddy the remote so when he hears you call hit... BANG.
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Netshark,
Between Jon and Gene's technology and Lyn's magic, it can happen.
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WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!
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ahaha I love the dog bomb idea! Maybe we should make a separate topic for daydreaming about it so this one can get BOT.
I should make a suicide vest with all my Japanese warrior philosophy.
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ooorrrrr..... use the claymore as intended :/ just saying
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Well i would still like to get a TAC Vest thingy... I want to be able to have my cm030 or sidearm on the vest but still be comfortable
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[Link to nonsponsoring retailer deleted]
I got this for XMAS from some family. its pretty sweet. look into it
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I believe So Go has a used black tactical cross-draw vest and used pistol combo for sale. You need to check with So Go, though, to be sure.
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Thanks Joe man... i totally forgot about that. O and speaking of which...
Jon brian said you can put any color on the vest it doesnt have to be brown(tan)
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[Link to nonsponsoring retailer deleted]
I got this for XMAS from some family. its pretty sweet. look into it
hey joe, that was the link to the guys that make it. BT paintball.
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Thank you for all your helpful comments. I am now a proud owner of a condor plate carrier ( the one that ajgrega recommended )
Thank you!
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Thank you for all your helpful comments. I am now a proud owner of a condor plate carrier ( the one that ajgrega recommended )
Thank you!
I got one for Christmas...it's so boss...
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totally I've got two dual m4 mag pouches, an admin pouch, a molle holster, a dump pouch, a horizontal utility puoch and a hydration carrier.
What do u have on urs?
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Currently...
an OD radio pouch, triple AR/ak pouch system, it's ACU ... unless I can figure out how to dye it and it stay. ( tried dying it before and the stuff just ran off it like water-proofed material.)
( The ACU pouches came off a ACU Fox style PC... I've since gotten a OD Condor APC from my team mate as he bought two. )
1 Vertical ACU utility pouch.
1 OD green hydro carrier that is also Condor ( a Sogo's purchase! )
It comes with an integrated admin pouch/map pouch. I'm not sure how useful it is at this point. Large area, just really secure velcro and snap closure. I guess it's alright for holding maps probably. Two side panel pouches, that really I think are annoyingly useless unless putting plates in em. They are on the inside , and not easy to get to once it's on.
I robbed my other Fox PC of the pouches for now.
I kinda wanted to test out the new APC , and so far I found it isn't quite as comfortable as my older ACU one. It also, despite it's appearance, has less real-estate on the chest panel than my other PC. It does have a cummerbund that adds some extra space though on the sides.
Eventually, I will get more OD green and black pouches to out fit it with, and use it for field play, and return my ACU one to original condition for use in CQB/Sogo play.
It will get some m03 grenade pouches , double stack kangaroo pouches for my KWA m16 that's next on the list.
Out in field play, I'm gonna take the role of grenadier/rifleman eventually. So my load out will be a byproduct of combining both of those into the role.
In Sogo's... I'm gonna retain my SMG and pistol role, of which is really fun. I will probably get a stand alone grenade launcher to carry from time to time too, and a shotgun that's nifty to play with in there.
Since I still use the belt and drop leg systems... I have many ways to configure what I want to do... and teh PC makes carrying everything convenient and more "pro" looking.
Integrated Velcro strips on the upper chest, accepts pouches pretty well. ( Holds my Airsplat Team badge , as they are supposed sponsors of D-9 ) , and my Dragon badge.
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Current: Chinese PC with front and back only, I thin they call them Marine recon or scout or something. Lightweight maybe. All my MOLLE gear is Coyote Brown.
Two Condor M4 double open top mag pouches(on stomach)
5.11 double pistol mag pouch(on chest)
Chinese vertical utility/medic pouch(on side over the buckle)
Chinese admin pouch with pistol/flashlight/radio pouch(on back of hydration carrier) with flag patch
5.11 small dump pouch(on side over the buckle)
Condor hydration carrier(on back) with my name tape
5.11 double closed top single mag pouch(will be used in future)
Condor tornado drop leg holster(on right leg)
Future: Same as above plus
Chinese or Condor MOLLE drop leg panel(on left leg with the 5.11 mag pouch on it)
Chinese or Condor triple 40mm pouch(on the Condor M4 pouches)
In the future I'll put my team patch on the admin pouch on my back, and two flag patches on my helmet.