Springfield Airsoft
General Category => DIY => Topic started by: Princess on November 16, 2010, 10:48:28 PM
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I have been thinking on pimping it out both internally and externally to make it an overall great gun. i already bought rails for the grip and a mock silencer off a friend. i was thinking about some other stuff but i don't know where to start. Any advice would be helpful.
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What brand is it?
If it's E-1, JG, I'd start with at least 9.6 battery ...
Tight Bore barrel, new hop up and bucking is what 'd start with internally.
I still run mine stock, more or less with some external modifications.
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I do agree with dragon i believe start small then make your big upgrades when you got it looking how you want it. I think externals is a good start then working on not improving the FPS(unless outdoors) start improving for acurracy
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I still have mine stock internal ( JG G36 6082 ), it still shoots decent ( for not having a tightbore in it yet.) , and stock hop-up.
I'm kinda waiting for it to wear out a bit before cracking into it majorly with upgrades. ( had it almost a year now.)
Externally, at first I thought I was going to be slick, and put a socom sound suppressor on it. The thing I ordered, wasn't what the picture showed exactly, and came with adapters that actually didn't fit the JG outer barrel. I wound up messing it up getting the original plastic flash-hider off. It looked odd with the suppressor sticking out... not bad, just odd.
So I ordered a 1/2 longer M4 outer barrel , and put a M4 metal flash-hider on the end. In my opinion, it looks better than the 4 prong G36 flash-hider. If I want I can attach my Sound Hog flash hider to it, but I think it looks dorky, even though it sounds cool that way.
I ordered rails for the sides twice, both times... got the short rails, that fit CA g36, not JG. two companies did the exact same thing, because when it comes to G36's , the packers just don't pay attention. So, no side mounting. yet.
I put a leapers forward tac grip on it and can pick from tac light or red laser if I desire. I did put a cheap red dot sight on the top, to help with aiming when wearing full face protection.
Soon I will possibly switch out the well, for a M4 adaptive mag well. M4 mids are cheaper than G36 mids, more common too. ( I have 6 High Caps for the g36 already.)
Runs great with a 9.6, and honestly since I don't auto fire that much... an 8.4 performs really well.
I usually attach it via a 1 point bungee sling ( to me it's faster and less prone to hang up.) , and play with the stock folded in mostly. I kinda like SMG length on weapons.
When it starts crapping out, in goes in the internals, starting with what I just described above. Eventually a great reinforced gearbox, m-130 spring , super shim job, and Lipos are going in it after that.
But there isn't anything wrong with it stock , even now, so I'm not messing with it until then.
Stock, and after almost a year of using it ( over 9,000 rounds , 100+ field games) , it's still cranking out a Chrono at 375 FPS average with a .25 BB, with Hop up. with a .20 no hop up, I'd guess it's about 389-390 FPS ... and it amazed me when Jon's guys at sogos asked me if it had a 130 spring in it, of course nope.. just a JG m120.
Couldn't use it in CQB, but I've fielded it and it's been my primary for a good while now.
So, I'd start with aesthetically pleasing you first.
There's nothing wrong with having a "naked" G36 ... too much stuff on it for field play is kinda a waste anyways in my opinion.
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To answer dragons question. its an E-1 im already getting the new battery and i have the forward grip. I'm not getting a mag well conversion mostly because i have 5 low cap g36 mags. Dragon can you put that in step-by-step order? im thinking about this stuff as a gift from the parents (but they dont know it yet). This G36c will be more for field since i prefer the pistola in CQB environments.
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Dragon man thats a really good breakdown i like how everything kind seemed like it was an easy flo on upgrades. I am thinking about the same thing with my m4
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My team leader is a decent airsmith, and I pay attention to what he tells me.
I'm bringing my g36 to our trigger day, so ya can compare and see what I've done to it.
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Sounds like a plan. see you there
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RollaD... any luck finding that front end for that g36?
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yeah.. but on further inspection the gun is shot. the total cost more minimal replacement is near 100 but i believe a new inner barrel and motor to be thrown in (as well as a few newer internal parts). So im going to look into that as i shop around for a new rifle, hopefully in the German area- G3A3 if they exist.
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One area I'm light in knowledge is, is any AEG/replica pre-Vietnam era. Other than the g36, I'm not too sure I know much about any non-us based replica, beyond AK series which are just common as socks.
If there was any era I wish they made more replicas for ... would be wild west replicas.
6-shooters, and winchester rifles would be neat. shoot-outs, and all that... be notorious outlaws, or gun slingers... lol. It'd be fun occasionally.
I've seem TM g3a3's though... so I know someone makes em. To me they kinda look like a SAS sub-machine gun, with a longer barrel system and stock.
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found a JG G3A3 but i don't think they have an official site to post a link. As the G36 goes my whole front block is split and the front barrel bent at the end and i have no idea how that happened unless its when I tripped out in that field.
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yeah, that's the downside of JG/E-1 grade G36's those front ends are still all ABS right at the weak point where the barrel meets up with the rest of the gun.
It's why I don't use the suppressor on it anymore... it could hang up and get bent if accidentally hit on something... that weak point there isn't too sturdy.
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I'l be retiring my g36 to the secondary -back up category coming this Thursday. ( Might actually give me time to work on it a bit.)
Got a brand new M4 arriving... and in the interest of team unity ( and swappable accessories) , I'll be fielding the M4 quite a bit more now.
I still love my g36 6082 though. The other day we were out at the field... someone put a Mt.Dew bottle out a ways in our small front field, on a twig about 3 feet off the ground.
The other guys were shooting at it, probably in burst or semi. It was getting dark hard to see... so I just switched to FA, and unloaded about 290 rounds into the area. ( My high caps on the thing will shoot all it holds on a good wind up... save about 10 shots.)
I was "mowing" twigs and fuzzy-plants as I sprayed the area.
Not too sure how many times I hit the bottle... couldn't see my shots and everyone was hitting it.
So it'll be back up for a while ( or loaned out to those I trust with it. ) ... until it wears down, and gets upgraded.
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Thats a good little gun. Its sad to see a person hitting machine like that go to secondary.
As mine goes, its a loaner to friends who wish to play. I fixed it up enough to make it functional. In the Market for that G3, FN FAL or another G36 to try an stay with my German theme. But a common M16/M4 will work for the sake of convenience (but i really dislike them).
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I'll probably wind up using it when not in team play... like i said, I love the beast.
The m4 I'm getting is tuned and tightbored though... better motor and lipo ready. So, it will be slightly a bit more accurate, and I'm hoping to get a bit more accurate range out of it.
The g36 is decent enough... I'd really like to see what it does when I upgrade it internally. It'll be a while for that though, unless something whacks out.
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well the accuracy on that thing is great What would you do with it.
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more accuracy, lol.
thats a 6.08 barrel in it. I'd like a 6.03
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well dra... at least with the targeting it wouldnt be a problem... unless you had an airsoft gun like the gun from 5th element where everything went to its orginal target!
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heh, I love that movie!
Naw, I've not had any issues with it as is stock at all. It took a while for me to set the hop up when I first starting using it. I think it was because the first 1000 rounds finally grooved the bucking enough from wear, it was a matter of adjusting up and down for a long while.
Switching to better BBs also helped big time.
I zero'd it at 125 feet later on down at the target range in Rogers at the national park. Right now, it will consistently in no or little wind group about 6" spread on a 12x12 target. Since it's stock barrel and hop up... I think it does veer sideways on some shots every so often, which is an inconsistency in the hop up... but hard to tell, cause in a 6.08 barrel there's a lot of room for the BB to bounce around traveling out. Considering I'm shooting 5.98 +1/-1 hundreth BBs, not too shabby.
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scratch that.. now that I got this M4... It's going to get busted into little pieces and sent back to ^&$%%# <<< that company which I will not name , isn't worth naming... Why oh why did I even bother with them clowns? ( Not naming company, for Jon so he doesn't have to de-leet/edit it. )
Very shady advertising!!! Very Very Shady!!!
I dislike CA AEGs ( stock) , but I'd rather have had one of those.
Now that my rant is over, and I feel a bit better ....
Until this M4 fiasco has been solved, the G36 remains the Primary.
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scratch that.. now that I got this M4... It's going to get busted into little pieces and sent back to ^&$%%# <<< that company which I will not name , isn't worth naming... Why oh why did I even bother with them clowns? ( Not naming company, for Jon so he doesn't have to de-leet/edit it. )
Very shady advertising!!! Very Very Shady!!!
I dislike CA AEGs ( stock) , but I'd rather have had one of those.
Now that my rant is over, and I feel a bit better ....
Until this M4 fiasco has been solved, the G36 remains the Primary.
If you had bought it from So Go then they'd have made it right . . .
One more reason to shop where you shoot.
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wow. The hate flowing from that message was umm hateful... makes me curious can you send me a PM of who you ordered that from?
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scratch that.. now that I got this M4... It's going to get busted into little pieces and sent back to ^&$%%# <<< that company which I will not name , isn't worth naming... Why oh why did I even bother with them clowns? ( Not naming company, for Jon so he doesn't have to de-leet/edit it. )
Very shady advertising!!! Very Very Shady!!!
I dislike CA AEGs ( stock) , but I'd rather have had one of those.
Now that my rant is over, and I feel a bit better ....
Until this M4 fiasco has been solved, the G36 remains the Primary.
If you had bought it from So Go then they'd have made it right . . .
One more reason to shop where you shoot.
yeah, lesson learned! lol...
Save for thats a 2 hour drive... :) Now if Sogo's delivered... 8)
On the Company... If it starts with a big E , don't order anything from them, unless you know for 100% what you are ordering and getting into.
It was my second order from them, the first time I ordered anything beyond a few micro-scopic things in the realm of importance.
I'll never do that again... not even for 50% off.
I noticed the name had something a tad familiar in it... but figured it was just something to dress up the product... like we would casually toss around the word "Tacticool", or "Chairsofter" .
Product description, made one believe that the product was a step up , and they claimed it wasn't a rebrand. Specifically a rebrand of two certain popular clone lines. At the time, I didn't even conceive of the possibility it would be a rebrand still. The way it was worded, left one thinking, a certain brand stepped up and started making their own parts and AEGs.
Worse, it's a rebrand, of a rebrand, of a clone. ( Not even a good clone at that! )
Description of the "upgraded internals" .. I hadn't cracked it open all the way yet, but just from looking, I can say already the "tighbore" isn't a tightbore... so, lied in the description. I figure the rest was window dressing as well.
the only good thing is... well, I got it on a special sale , so I can gut it and put high end internals in it, and wind up spending just a shade under a brand new KWA top performance M4 over-all.
So, Sogo's might sell some parts to me soon,...
this was not a happy experience. I can put up with one discrepancy more or less... but a total cluster from one thing, just burned me up inside.
I still might send it back , hadn't decided really.
At least, I have the g36 still. Very reliable, and I'd have to say, way more impressive a stock clone than this ... thing, I got from that screwball company.
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Hey we do send stuff out when people order from us. Remember we sell our ASC7 Claymore all over the world so we are pretty setup with shipping. I'm just saying. lol
Sorry you had a bad experience. It doesn't help any of us.
Jon
so go Airsoft
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Jon,
Honestly didn't know that.
Wow, I don't have to wait a month to order from Sogo? Cool!
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Agreed... i dont have much to say on this thread since all i have is a DE g36c and it is weak sauce. I do like the fact that if i order from sogo that it will be sent to me... hmm jon you rock!
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Order from Sogo it shows up at my house?...awesomesauce! i have a new plan...
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Yea i know right... JON i think you have created new peoples to order from
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lol, all I need is a monthly catalog now! :)
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I need to get my guys back on posting everytime we get new stuff in. And I think I might work harder on getting our online store online or at least a way to see what we have in stock.
Jon
So Go Airsoft
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Agreed... so let it be written ... so let it be done
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A store to see what is in stock would be awesome for us out of town types....
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http://www.kingarms.com/productpage.asp?prodid=745 FAL!
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Oh its a pretty gun...probably cost a fortune and im limiting myself at around $300 total for airsoft all around... its probably hard to find too... but i want it.
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oh, who dosen't want it :D how about a Galil?i've seen full metal ones in the 160 range http://www.crossfire-ag.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/ka-galil-sar.jpg
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Net....You just gave me Morning.........
NvM..
How Much?
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Wow...Agree with Renagade... but i don't know... i just need a gun and i want it to be good and sexy...
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on a g36... what do you guys think on this...?
Buy a mag well converter to accept m4 mags, or clip off the annoying mag connector things that normally lock mags together, so it slides in and out of pouches better?
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clip the connectors, g36 mags are different and that's cool. but M4 mags would make you more compatible with your team and tactically, the better move.
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Wow...Agree with Renagade... but i don't know... i just need a gun and i want it to be good and sexy...
KWA M4. (or G36 if you have to...)
*End Of Discussion*
;)
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yeah, KWA is next on the list...
However, I just bought a M4, that has turned into a real money pit. Never again will I take a chance on a un-sure brand of aeg.
I'm fixing to upgrade my g36 , because... the m4 is crap right now. But when I'm done with it
(m4) , it'll be mostly systema internals.
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Why systema internals? I guess I feel as if they (aftermarket parts) are overpriced, and not all that great.
Might be best to count your losses depending on how bad your m4 is. However parts are everywhere. I'm sure sogo has plenty, and could get you running up to par, but if it's a complete nightmare, buy a kwa, because you won't see a thread here about what should be upgraded... And if you do, they're crazy.
And yes, I'm a kwa fan
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yeah, I had a sale for 50% off any aeg in stock... well, there wasn't anything in stock, and my sale code was running out... so I nabbed one I thought could be decent enough, at least to upgrade...
turned out it needed more work than originally considered.
Systema internals... mostly. I think I might put a KWA m16 front end on it though, cause I have access to one of those. Only reason I'd go Systema... is cause the parts are available. KWA parts are going fast because of Christmas. I don't want to wait on back-orders.
Since I'm stubborn, and won't put anything CA in my AEGs ... it's about the only other high end option available, with-out going into clone-ville parts.
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What parts ARE usable on the gun you bought? Sometimes a drop-in gearbox is your best bet.
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More or less, just the external receivers. It's a Aim Top rebranded by matrix. Probably one of the crappiest AEGs I've ever seen, and Cody said the worst he's ever worked on.
we dropped in a G&G motor because the "high torque" one that came with it was a weak piece of crap... the "high speed gears" stripped after about 30 rounds from the upgraded motor.
We put a KWA hop up in it, but had to use the stock hop up wheels , because the KWA ones wouldn't fit in the receiver. The one that was stock, was whimpy plastic crap... I swear even a LPEG has beter hop up in them. It was claimed the hop up was a poly-carb... and it wasn't. Replaced the bucking... the stock one which was supposedly "superb" was a flimsy POS too.
matrix gear box... which really has issues getting the pins in. They don't line up with the receivers perfectly. It was the only "truth" to the Matrix ad on it. It is a solid gear box... just someone forgot to check if all the holes lined up correctly.
The "tight bore" isn't a tight bore... lol, it's machined poorly , and my stock JG barrel which is 6.08 is much better... so I'm looking at a using the KWA M16 front end that came off the new DMR. If not, I'll shop around for a decent tight bore.
More or less... the AEG was highly misleading on the site I bought it from. When I called the company to tell em I was shipping it back, they said the add was a comparison to a LPEG , and they thought it was perfectly clear worded.
I looked at it again and again, and all I can say is they lied about the AEG all the way around.
Right now, it's in the project bin... cause it stripped the gears and piston using the new motor. So, I told Cody, we were gonna upgrade it right, seeing how the company it came from refused to take it back. ( well, they would take it back, but wasn't going to refund the money, and was going to charge me a re-stocking fee , and I had to pay shipping to send it back. )
So, he'll get his G&G motor back... and we'll put everything top grade in it. If it still has issues after that... I will take out the good stuff, and blow it up. lol.
I wanted to use the m4 at the SA field day... but doesn't look like it's possible at this point. So I'm gonna use my g36 ... which is extremely reliable to this date.
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Wow. That all-around sucks. If you do blow it up, please film it
Personally I would consider two options: Throw some JG (or whatever clone) gears in, and a half way decent piston. Make it a loaner.
Scrap it, use it as a parts gun for future breakage. Buy a different M4. Though ive never owned one, I'm a huge fan of G&G combat machines (sogo just got two tan ones in) if you're looking more for budget. Otherwise get a KWA.
But if you do decide to upgrade it to ridiculous proportions, tell people its a matrix LPEG when you bring it to the field :)
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yeah, it's gonna cost as much as getting a new decent gun...
but, I can't even sell it to someone like it is. It'd be bad ethics if I did, and I do believe in Karma.
So, it's a project to do now.
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Sell it? I certainly didn't think i was suggesting that.
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Oh, no you didn't... I was just kinda thinking more or less...
What I meant was, I wouldn't have even tried to re-sell it brand new , much less in the condition it's in now.
Even if I gave it away for free... lol, I'd feel like I cheated someone.
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some of my G36 replacement choices. its a dream much to far from my price range though.
KWA SR10 (way to expensive but i can dream)
http://www.kwausa.com/products_sr10.html
G&G FS51 (Current top Choice)
http://www.guay2.com/web/our_product/fs51_fixed.php?lang=en