Springfield Airsoft
General Category => Reviews => Topic started by: Boba Fett on January 27, 2011, 01:04:22 PM
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So I've been on and off the GBB bandwagon, and in light of a recent training session, am again considering getting one(among claymores, M203's, M4 mags...ect), and I would like some info on them. Which brands/models seem to have less problems? Do all 1911's stop if you shoot too fast? Why is it that mags are usually the part that messes up? What guns use reliable mags?
Thanks so much everyone for helping me out here!
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id say KWA iv herd only good things about there GBBs and there new 1911s have more durable mags with better base plates and feed lips and there full metal.
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i have a 1911 HICAPPA, and i can spray through the 30rnd mag, and still have enough gas to run through another half clip, its a SOCOM GEAR 1911 5.1 HICAPPA. came with 2 mags, its the black ops edition. i really love it, the only complaint i have is with the rear sight, but i found some aftermarket ones that run about 8 bucks.
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Ask Joe. He's got about a million different pistols. I'm sure he can point you in the right direction.
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So do only WE 1911's have the issue with fast shooting?
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You can't go wrong with a TM.
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Well I do have to say my TM P90 IS the best gun I've ever had! So you I am leaning towards a TM.
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from what i've seen most 1911's have that issue, it seems like its the mag size to me, andy has the same issue with his KJW 1911. the hicappa's have bigger mags and hold more gas. i'm also pretty happy with my soon-to-be TM desert eagle. as joe said. you cant go wrong with TM.
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I've owned a lot of GBB's. For the past 4 years thats all I've been using at SOGO. Here is the list as far as I can remember.
We 1911
KJworks G19
KWA G17 (not mine, but used a few times)
KSC USP
TM 1911
TM 226
TK USP
TM MEU
TM PX4 Storm
KWA MP7
From what I've experienced, TM are the best built GBB's out there in terms of performance and reliability. They are usually the most expensive and hard to get.
I will never own a WE or licensed product (pistol) from them again, most are pot metal and experience cool down faster than any other GBB I've seen. They also use more gas than other pistols, thats why they give you a second mag for free. I have heard good things about their GBB rifles but have yet to actually see one in person.
KSC is made in Japan, but the one I've owned didn't preform as good as my TM. I hear good things about them, if you take care of them and use a gas that isn't as powerful as Green. I would like to have another KSC some time, and see if my gun was a fluke.
KWA is another good company that is only getting better. I've never heard anything bad about their glock series, except that they are no longer being made. Seems like their NS2 system is durable. My only complaint is its not as accurate as my TM's.
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I've had lots of GBB's myself and I'm actually soon to enter the world of GBBR's. I actively run 3 GBB's. My personal favorite is my WE 1911 Meu single stack. It only holds 15rds, but I've installed a tightbore and upgraded H style hopup bucking, and is just flat impressive. I have absolutely no issues with rapid firing, but then again I believe in fewer well placed shots rather than spraying. I prefer the slimer grip of the MEU to the hicapa. I've also installed some real steal Hogue wrap around rubber grips that make it unrivaled as far as comfort in comparison to all other GBB's I've handled. I also own a KWA G18C that has amazing performance but it's accuracy is lacking compared to my 1911. Joe is right by saying you can't go wrong buying a TM. Problem is they aren't really common and usually bring a pretty penny even when used. So that means they can be out of the average airsofter's price range in how much he's willing to invest in a pistol. With the release of the new NS2 line from KWA they've produced some of the most gas efficent GBB's on the market. I've only encountered one person that had issues with an NS2 M9. The problem with the KWA line is that the mags and parts are specific to KWA so upgrades, extra mags, and spare parts are gonna be harder to get.
So in conclusing if you're only looking ot spend $150 or less, a WE is a good choice. Some of thier pistols can be had on sale for less than $100 which leaves room to buy a tightbore and maybe and extra mag for around $150. By the time you invest $200 in the whole gun with upgrades and such you'll have a really good, powerful, and reliable pistol.
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I do agree with the 1911 but i think its easier to mod. I have yet to see any major problems with the glock... unless you drop the mag out before you fire lol... that was a stab at jon
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Yeah as far as styles I prefer Glocks(esp. 23's, 19's, and 32's), USP's and USP Compacts, 5-7's, 1911 Compacts(4.3" barrel), and 24rnd revolvers(4" barrel).
Brands I'm leaning towards are KWA, KSC and TM.
Metal(5-7 being an exception), reliability, and Made in Japan are big pluses to me.
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I'd check ebay right now. there are tons of G18C's and G17's on there right now.
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Ok thanks.
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So do only WE 1911's have the issue with fast shooting?
well, I've got a we 1911 meu and I have trouble shooting it fast.
If I were you I would get a kwa... I hear they hold up really well.
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So what does everyone think of KJW Glocks?
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They are Tm copies with metal slides I believe... I had one, but didn't like it as much as a KWA Glock.
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Try geting a CO2 non gbb pistol.
I reckomend the Smith & wess M&P 40.
First three shoots with a new co2 is 987,982,8 somthing. then steadies out to a 287 FPS.
LOL Found this out at sogo, For Nova Party.
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I didn't think So Go allowed any Co2.
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if its under 300 fps yes
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I thought Jon said they were too inconsistent.
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The majority of them are. I have 1 in 50 or even 100 CO2 that come through that pass. My other problem is I don't know how consistant they are even after we chrono. And as he said the first 3 or 4 were 900+. How do we know that there isn't another one sneaking in there somewhere? This was a closed group he played with and I took that into account. And I will be chronoing it again the next time it comes through. In 3 1/2 years I have let 4 CO2's play. But they have all been within a confinned group.
Jon
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Co2 is for the back yard plinking, not for shooting people.
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There were 2 pistols that cronoed saturday and yes they were above 900 the first 3 shots... but before they load the clips they fired off 5 shots before shooting anyone. I do not know how it would crono after but we shot the pistol 10 times and the first 2 were over the cqb limit
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I hope you keep in mind the people that your playing with when you use something so inconsistent. Most people wouldn't want to take that risk and play with a Co2 gun in such close quarters and nobody that doesn't know the consequences should have to either. Remember that airsoft is supposed to be fun for everyone. ;D
I would consider anybody lucky that got to play with a Co2 at Jon's. A private party is one thing where everybody knows about Co2, its completely another thing in regular play.
With that said, if somebody is looking to purchase a pistol to use in CQB why even take the risk buying Co2. The odds are against you.
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Yeah that's what I thought. I don't want Co2. lol
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So the guns I'm thinking about now are the following.
ACM Xtreme .45*
ACM USP
KWA USP*
KWA 1911
KWA M9
KJW Glock 23
KJW Glock 19*
TM FiveseveN
TM Colt Python(4")*
Army Armament Glock 17*
S-Thunder grenade launcher pistol, short*
*most favorable-looking
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a buddy of mine has the KWA usp 45, and he praises it rather highly.
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Are you doing any research on these guns?
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Yeah I spent all day(between taking GED practice tests) watching reviews.
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what did you end up deciding on?
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I still don't know. I'm going to So Go sometime this week maybe. Before I can buy one I need to sell my MP5k though.
I'm also considering making a suicide vest. xD
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i wanna do that with clays... would be fun
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Resurrect from the dead my old topic!
I need to get some opinions on the KJW M9...
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Well, all necroposting aside, I love my KJW M9. Sure it doesn't decock like the KWA and its not as expensive as a Western Arms, but it is a performer. Keep it lubed and cleaned and it will just keep on shooting. I've actually had a couple different ones over the years and I just love them. Plus, it's under CQB limits, which is getting hard to find in gas pistols from what I understand. Just avoid the HFC full auto Beretta's though, I see way to many of them for sale in various forums with the word "broken" in front of the ad.
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Yeah I never had a problem with necroposting as long as it served a purpose or got things accomplished. Too many times I've read good information from a googled forum thread, only to suddenly have someone post something about the previous person necroposting and the thread gets locked. End of my information. lol
Would you happen to know if WE grips will work with them? I'm starting to think the KJW is the way to go if it will accept WE grips.
The M9's I'm thinking of are the KWA(if it's under CQB) WE(Again under limits) and KJW.
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Boy, I don't know on that one. I kinda think they will, since most of the 1911 grips are interchangeable. I would think the Beretta 92 grips would be about the same, though you might have to do a little filing like on most other aftermarket parts. You might have to ask someone more knowledgeable than me, lol.
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Ok from what I could tell I think they will. And I have an awesome dremel tool. In fact without it, I wouldn't have been able to put my Springfield Airsoft license plate cover on my car today!
Thanks so much for the intel on the KJW M9. Arigato!
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Also, with GBBs shooting over the CQB limit on Propane/Green Gas, you can always use 134a which is also known as "Duster Gas" as it is the "canned air" you use to spray out the dust in your keyboard or inside your computer.
Older Tokyo Marui models weren't built to handle the stress of Propane/Green Gas, so they use 134a/Duster.
I'm not sure if Jon carries them, but they do make the required nozzle adapter to use the cans of 134a/Duster that you can buy at almost any store these days.
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I have a pair of KJW P14's that still rock. I have shot one of them mainly and it has never failed me. YMMV. On the topic of KJW I have always had good luck with them with the exception of the dreaded USP compact.
I really wonder on the WE Dragon pistols too..
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If you cna stumble upon one of the old KWA/KSC Glocks you'll have one of the most reliable GBB's ever made. My KWA G18C was VERY used when I got it and since I've had it, I've used the heck out of it. I've dropped it, shot it without oiling it, had it in gravel, you name it, and it's still going. The only trouble I've had out of it was the rocket valve broke. Come to find out it was the original factory plastic one, but I just put in an aluminum firefly rocket valve and now it's ROF is higher and power is a little higher. I'm actually in the works of buying another one.
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I bet finding two KWA/KSC Glocks would be hard though...lol
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Not if you're willing give half of your manhood (if you know what I mean) for one. I see them fairly frequently on ebay. I managed to nab mine for only $135 and it came with a 50rd mag. I was lucky. I've seen some sell upwards of $250 though. After owning mine for a while, I'd willingly pay up to $175 (for just thebasic gun and one mag) for a used KWA Glock than to spend about the same for one of the newer KWA's. Also, one thing that you're garuanteed with a KWA/KSC Glock is that if you don't like it or ever decide to sell it, you're almost certain to not loose any money on it.
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Yeah very true. I'll keep my eyes open, but I already have some pretty cool plans for a customized M9 dual rig that I think will work good.
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I have an old KSC/KWA Glock 18C that I got in a trade a long time ago. Came to me in this condition and I never had the intention of fixing it as Glocks aren't my style.
Mag leaks from the top and the gun is in a rough condition. Maybe one of you knows how to fix it up?
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd452/odin_1/Glock3.jpg)
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Pup, are you saying you want to sell this thing?? because if you are, then PM me immediately with your price!!! ;)
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TM 5-7...plastic slide, but it's TM...
I found a KSC Glock 19 that's really nice, but it's a new one, so I doubt it will be as good as the old G18c's...
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TM 5-7...plastic slide, but it's TM...
I found a KSC Glock 19 that's really nice, but it's a new one, so I doubt it will be as good as the old G18c's...
The real Five-seveN has a polymer frame and polymer outer slide. So, the TM is actually quite accurate. The only thing missing in the Tokyo Marui is the metal "inner" slide.
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KSC and KWA Glocks were prohibited from sales in the US all together at a certain date, so any KSC/KWA Glock is technically and 'old' one and will be a great pistol. I believe even Jon uses a G17 as his primary in CQB.
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I thought Jon had a TM Glock though?
Yeah I knew the 5-7 had a poly slide, that's why I like the TM version.
Is it possible to have So Go order me a KSC Glock from a Hong Kong/Asian website? Or will customs interfere?
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I thought Jon had a TM Glock though?
Yeah I knew the 5-7 had a poly slide, that's why I like the TM version.
Is it possible to have So Go order me a KSC Glock from a Hong Kong/Asian website? Or will customs interfere?
As long as the shop is instructed to apply an orange tip and cover any trademarks.
[Link to nonsponsoring retailer deleted] offers both of these services. Most of the time, they cover the trademarks with a black putty instead of physically burning the trademarks off. That way, you can simply peel off the putty and have trademarks.
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My glocks are KWA. As for ordering Glocks from overseas. I won't do it unless the buyer comes in a pays for it first and doesn't hold So Go Liable for Custom Seizure of that Glock. I have heard it happening to much for me to take that chance. With that said I do get my hands on them every once in awhile when somebody finds some in their back room or something. But the goods ones are not cheap.
Jon
So go Airsoft
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Well everyone...I finally got one! A KJW Glock 23c! We'll see! I love the looks and feel of it so far! Might test it out tomorrow!
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I've always stuck with a hi-capa 5.1 because they're accurate, reliable, left-hand friendly and easy to find parts for. Both of mine have been made by WE-tech. The first one I bought about 5 years ago was very plain but sturdy. It shot great great, but the slide was a little too heavy, so rapid fire would only work on extremely warm days. My new one, also made by WE but liscened cybergun, has a much lighter slide and shorter guide rod, making it much more gas efficient. Hi-Capa's also have an easy to adjust hop-up. The KJW Sig's are also very well made, and the NS2 models from KWA are pretty much the best around. Brands I would avoid are HFC and Bell.
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i was looking at ordering a TM five-seven but idk about taking any chances like that. wat GBB's by KWA are worth looking into. im more focused on accuracy really
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My Kwa MK23 SOCOM is great. Too hot for SoGo though. It's more made for guys who like to use their pistol as a primary from time to time. The KWA 226's are all crap, or at least the NS2 models. Jon got a bunch in and every single one was broken out of the box. Recon, a member of D9, got one with the same problems. In other words, stay far far away from KWA NS2 226's. The old KWA Glocks of coarse are great but hard to find and parts are even harder to find. The KWA NS2 1911's are proving to be really good. Most members of D9 have them and they're proving to be pretty accurate and very reliable and gas efficient.
All that being said, you really can't go wrong with a TM man. Weather it be an AEG or a GBB pistol NBB pistol, they're all great stuff.
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sounds like its TM then. thanks!
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I was really suprised to see the KWA Sig's were junk. Every thing else I've seen by them has always been top shelf. I've got a 93R and had two of their old Glocks and they're all perfect. The mac11's, mk23's, and m9's are all really nice also. I really want to check out the ATP's and see if they're as good as the Glocks were.
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I'm interested in the ATP's now too. I found out that they can use the old Glock mags and even the new ATP mags will work in my old Glocks. So an ATP is a good choice for me seeing as I have 2 KWA Glocks. Another sweet thing about the ATP is that it will fit glock holsters, even the precision molded Serpa. I do believe an ATP will be my next GBB pistol purchase unless they release their TT33 Tokarev before then.
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im exited for the tt33!!! my m93r has problems :/ it would lock back randomly witch i remedied the single fire went out and for a short while it wouldn't fully depress the button on the back of the mag so it wouldn't blow back with i fixed again i just don't like fixing things so much on a 200$ gun that is supposed to be top notch