Springfield Airsoft
General Category => Reviews => Topic started by: moondog on November 10, 2011, 04:33:07 PM
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what do u guys think of jing gong airsoft guns accories gear boxes ect...
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I like the body's they hold up really well. I also like the fact that for there internals u really only have to re grease and re shim most of the time. Well I do know some people that put new bushings and piston heads in them but that's upgrades that u might do to any gun depending on wear and tare. Like I said I think they are worth there money it's amazing company that has come a long way since the mid 90s. As dragon said they use to make there internals all plastics so now u see all the metal internals you know. Anyways thats my opinion
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yeah,
here's food for thought on JGs...
That PLASTIC GB JG AEG, has out lasted MANY " Big brands" of AEGS, that have metal gearboxes, supposed "better" internals, by many, many years now.
Their internals are tougher than TM plastics too. Though, a TM out-ranges a JG usually.
what's good about JGs, NORMALLY they are ready to use right out of the box, and as long as you never try to take it apart... it will operate decently ( though not always the best as far as accuracy goes).
Now, I've noticed, most JGs develop this , "semi-auto" issue, where you have to monkey with the switch to get it to switch from FA, to Semi again. I'm not sure why, but on all my JGs ( except for the Sig ) , have had this issue.
New JG gearboxes are fairly good. They usually have a high resistance spring in em, which does boost FPS, but it takes a strong ( torque) motor to pull em effectively.
Honestly, it's "wasting" power... because a JG's hop-up, bucking, and barrel aren't the best , and usually all JGs out of the box, need to be air-sealed anyways.
Airseal it... put in a m100 or m110 ... and even with the 6.08 barrel and base hop and bucking, it WILL perform better, than the M120 or m130 they tend to use actually does.
Longer battery life when playing ( takes less strain on the motor to pull a lighter spring= more shots) , and even a high torque motor, will increase ROF a bit and trigger response in most cases.
Of course, shimming, and setting gears in proper alignment are almost always needed on JG gearboxes.
Over-all though, you can ALOT worse than basic JG for sure.
I like em.
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See told ya!
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Personally, I would never buy another JG, My first real airsoft rifle was a JG G36c, had to send it to the seller twice to get it running, then it worked just fine, as long as I cleaned the barrel. I never actually used it in a game, but I had it sitting around for a year or so. Every one I know that has a had a JG has had problems with the internals. Chad had an MP5 that was constantly messing up...
Echo 1 is the sister company, but with better quality control. I've never shied away from Echo 1 guns.
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Again I will state what most of the veteran Airsofters know. You can always find a few people that don't like a certain brand gun. Even the best of brands. In fact I stated earlier that there are certain guns of every brand that I won't carry until they get the problems worked out. And I can only name 2 that I haven't ran across that problem(Yet). (TM and Real Sword) And I am sure I can find some that would say to stay away from those.
So when you talk to someone about a certain brand of gun. Be sure you dig deeper in your questions. There are so many variables there. I used JG MP5 (full stock) for almost 2 years before I had to change them out. And I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Around 40 of them. I did move over to the CA just because it became a better deal for us at the time. And I used even more of the JG M4 series throughout the last 4+ years. Again CA gave me a better deal so I ended up switching.
I used the JG Beta in the beginning and I quickly took it out of the line. Only because of the selector switch issues. But it was a hefty gun and people liked it for the short time I used it.
Again this is from a guy who has been in Airsoft since 1998 and seen Airsoft through a lot of changes. And opened an Airsoft store a little over 4 years ago.
I have seen a few guys buy a CA and have rotten luck with them. Swearing to never buy a CA again. And 1000's absolutely love it it and stand by it. But I can say the same thing about JG and many of the other brands.
Again test fire both and hold both. Examine and just ask what you want about both.
Jon
So Go Airsoft
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I've owned a few JG's in my airsoft 'carreer' and I can't honestly say that I've ever had a bad one. Their new 'enhanced version' is the one Jon is refering to, and they do happen to have M130 springs in them. Some of the new JG's are shipping with tightbore barrels. Not sure what the ID is supposed to be , but I've heard that from many sources. My most recent JG was an M16A2 which I got soley for a '93 Army Ranger kit I put together and I got the JG and upgraded it and slapped all the internals into a G&G metal body. I did use it some before tinkering with it and in all honesty, it wasn't a bad gun at all. It had good range and it was fairly accurate. The hopup bucking was a little too hard (in my opinion) and wasn't broken in, so it was a little inconsistant. The motor was very powerful and gave great trigger response and ROF from just a $150 gun.
Now, despite what people say, the JG, Echo1, DBoys, and most brand of the like that produce an AK are actually made by CYMA. CYMA makes some freaking awesome stuff these days, ESPECIALLY their AK's.
But back on track here.... ::) I've owned a JG M4, G36C, and the M16A2 and all were well worth the money I paid for them. Externals aren't so hot, and the internals aren't the best, but you'll get more than your money's worth out of it for sure.
**By the way. Jon's suggestion of throwing in a weaker spring and sealing all your air leaks is a top notch suggestion. It will make that gun preform WAY better whille extending the life of the gun and your battery after each charge.**
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Going on what Jon stated...
Personally, I would never buy another JG, My first real airsoft rifle was a JG G36c, had to send it to the seller twice to get it running, then it worked just fine, as long as I cleaned the barrel. I never actually used it in a game, but I had it sitting around for a year or so. Every one I know that has a had a JG has had problems with the internals. Chad had an MP5 that was constantly messing up...
Echo 1 is the sister company, but with better quality control. I've never shied away from Echo 1 guns.
I am the exact opposite in this regard.
I've found E-1s to be highly inferior , and the "higher" standards of QC supposedly reported, to be non existent.
But, like Jon said...
and I will say...
even when you buy the "best of the best" , someone is going to get a "lemon" at some point, and from there on out... will not buy another.
Like me... I am NOT going to buy another KWA , not until I see some constant changes in the quality they ONCE had held, but seem to lack nowadays. Thats me though... hehehe, Metal will tell you all, I am crazy for that aspect still.
But see... the thing is... every company can and will produce an AEG that malfunctions or performs poorly at some point. Someone will get one, and try to smear the "good name" based off their own limited understanding on how mass production, and QC goes.
No one ( including me) likes getting a lemon deal. We drop HUGE money on one thing... and we feel "cheated" when it doesn't measure up to what we spent, or desire it to be.
I PERSONALLY think E-1 is inferior to JG all the way around.
that's because my personal experience with them, has formulated this opinion.
of course...
I know what "companies" or brands to stay away from at first , just given out there. Some make stuff, that is cheaply made, and no amount of "upgrading" or repair is possible.
But here's the real deal...
No matter what you start with...
You will find something else you want more later on.. lol.
one good thing to do, is start learning Airsmithing if you can. One of my first thing I did was, hook up with Cody, and help him or watch hm work on AEGs. Now, I can say Cody is a good airsmith... but even he goes through a "trial by error" basis of repair. He and I both, have screwed things up here and there.
Though, I did pick up tips and learn from other airsmiths as well.
Like Metal is a good source as well, cause he's been doing it longer... and has more of a mindset like me, when it comes to actual performance vs "popular opinion".
We both look at Bushman's post and what he says as well.
But, the ABILITY to understand how every piece, down to the amount of gear grease to use,a nd how it will effect the performance and reliability of an AEG, will take you far beyond what "brand" of AEG you get ahold of to begin with.
Like I despise E-1 AEGs, however, if I had one... I now have the knowledge and confidence that I could gut it entirely, and build it into an AEG that will grant reliable performance. If I hit a "snag" , then I can go to my pool of resources ( other airsmiths) and ask them their opinions. It cost to build from scratch though... but, since I have other AEGs already able to use ... I don't have to get a project running immediately, and can spread out cost over time to do it.
No one "brand" of AEG, is with-out faults and quirks. Given enough time using one, will will find these things just by using em.
Then, you gotta break that down farther for INDIVIDUAL replicas, made by the companies. Individually, there will be more INCONSISTENCY from one AEG on the line, to the next even in the same "batch".
So, it boils down more into PERSONAL preference of what to use and get.
Some AEGs are easier to work on than others, and have "brand new' reliability over other brands.
Knowing through experience, what parts are better than others , what barrels are going to work better, what hop ups seem to work the best, what other modifications seem to hold up well... allows you to "judge" for yourself , if what you got is a POS, and what isn't.
Also, some "experience" with different brands... like I know JGs fairly well now. I know the "general" quirks of em. I STILL can't seem to make the selector switch operate as intended. I do think this is a manufacturing flaw in JGs, and until they change it on the line... they will always have these issues.
( I still say an Electronic fire mode selector , would be better than MANUAL fire mode selection.. but thats me, and my disdain for outdated technology.)
But, another person, even an airsmith... will tell me, this or that, and we might not see eye to eye on every aspect, regarding the different "brands" of AEGs. Why, because it's all based on previous experience, and limited knowledge we possess.
So, it boils down... again... get what you like, and feel comfortable on getting.
Is G&G better than JG? <<< That depends.
Is G&G better than CA? <<, also depends ( I will say YES though, lol. )
Is G&G better than ICS? << again, it's a variable equation.
Are JGs inferior to E-1's? <<< I will tell you from experience, no. They are more or less the same, only one has a trade mark on it, and the other doesn't. More JGs outlast E-1s under heavy use though. But, yet again... it depends.
So... all in all.
get what you want, and feel comfortable on investing in.
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basicaly replying and or agreing withh dragon you are completly right abt jg and if u take care of them then they will probaly work i was just sort asking cause i just bought a jg m16 vn the up graded version and i havent had any problems with it yet maby because of up grades i did and maby not who knows but any way i have had a certain friend and he cept on buying jgs and they would break and he would bring them to me and i would fix them i just found out to day that im going to half to put a new piston and new trigger asembly in his gun and i just find it ironic that his breaks all the time and mine has had no problems and another friend bought a echo1 scar-L and it also used to break all the time until i finaly got around to fixing it and i was looking in to buying a jg stubby killer and wanted to know what you guys thought thanks
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Well I had zero problems with my JG but I never actually used it so I can't really judge.
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was looking in to buying a jg stubby killer and wanted to know what you guys thought thanks
So Go has one on the wall right now. You can check it out for yourself, give it a test shooting, shoulder it, see how it feels in your hands and the like.
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Take Joe's advice. You can hear all kinds of tesitmonies on here all day long, but in the end you just have to see for yourself. After all, we ARE in the Show Me State. ;)
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oh i have done all of that and i really liked it and it did shoot great adam told me alot abt it and it sounded pretty justifiable im pretty sure im gona buy it when i go and get my custom back lol oh and hey joe how moch did they want for it because i was not wanting to spend more than 200 on it because of how much up grade parts are gona cost once again thanks
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The Stubby Killer is definately less than $200.00. We got more in today. But I have been working at the CQB so much I can't remember what the cost was exactly while sitting here at home. Call if you want to know before you come in.
Jon
So Go Airsoft
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I've had this debate many times with many airsoft players. I have a love/hate status when it comes to chinese aeg's. For every component that impresses me, there'll be one that disappoints. Example, I had a cybergun m4 that came with a metal hop-up, but plastic bushings, metal air nozzle, but plastic piston head. I used to joke and say you get one foot in the gold mine, and the other foot in the toilet! Another thing I would occaisionally see in jg's and cyma's is gb parts glued in place. This can be a real pain for DIY upgrades. That being said, most of them shoot very well out of the box. My brother's $200 cyma AK47 used to out-range my $300 CA m4 by over 50ft! That make all the difference in the world in a field game. It's also been my experience however, that they tend to wear out quickly with the higher voltage batteries. I think Echo 1 and Cybergun are made by jg and cyma, but they appear to be more "hand picked". I think they're a good value for their price, but I just don't get the milage out of them that I do with my Taiwan/Japan guns. If you're as trigger happy as I am, it's worth it to spend the extra 100 bux on a high-end brand.
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well john i would call but im sure adam is probaly getting sick of mecalling abt my custm m4 up there so im goig to waiy t until evan or adam calls me lolbut im almost with out a doubt going to by this gun from yall oh and john is it the full metal one or not
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You know it all goes back to what jon was stating... that everyone has there opinions on every brand of gun. No matter what anyone says there is always gonig to be those people that are "Anti-This or That" ... Like for instance i actually met someone that says TM is the worst company they have ever bought from. Now that could be true for that person but as a whole most people would say that he is a fool.
I believe that JG is of quality for someone that is just getting into airsoft for sure. For someone that has long term ideal's for there loadouts... i still say jg is good bang for your buck. Im all about spending less money to get quality... not really a good thing in this sport but non the less. Like im saying JG is a good solid start for any airsofter on a budget or someone that likes unique guns. I noticed that JG makes alot of unique guns.
In conclusion i would say JG good to go for any airsofter for a good price you really cant beat it. Plus one of the best parts of JG's is there are so many options for upgrades and fine tuneing... which METAL DRAGON could tell you all about
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METAL DRAGON? We've mutated into MilSim MONSTER!! lols :D
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METAL DRAGON? We've mutated into MilSim MONSTER!! lols :D
we have become ONE! Muwahahaha.
Honestly, I guess I need to buy another JG, one of the "newest" versions, and break it apart and see how they are being made currently.
None of my JGs are newer than V2 gearboxes... of such I am grateful, as I actually like v2 over V3 gearboxes. Except one minor thing, ... but even the V3 seem to have that stupid fire mode selection issue after a while, despite the "re-design".
But, I can say... JGs aren't any "better" or "worse" than their competitive level other "brands".
They have their own quirks, and slight differences... set apart from any other "sport line" or "mid grade" AEGs.
But , especially for starting out... it's a decent brand for sure.
They USUALLY perform very well , out of the box...
Even though, I myself have moved beyond desiring to use and buy JG exclusively ... I can say my Jgs have been very good to me, and are phenomenal for the prices they run at.
It is possible, to spend 3 times as much on an AEG, and not even get the base performance you can get out of a JG out of the box.
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Now now dont be makeing fun of me im just stating the realism here. You guys have a vast amount of knowledge... i mean dont get me wrong i can contribute. But not on this subject lol.
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well i under stand what you are all saying aspecally about the varity of different styles but i like to buy jg because i can buy them for cheep and put an @$$ load of up grades in them and not break the bank while doing so.
once again thanks
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I started playing airsoft a long time ago, even longer than a lot of guys that are a mega airsoft machines. The reason is because airsoft didn't get very popular until recently. I knew basically nothing besides I could go to Wal-Mart and by an airsoft gun and it worked, when it broke, I bought a new one. I've been playing airsoft for almost 7 years now but just got really into it about whenever the So Go in Nixa opened. Anyway, my point was, every single JG airsoft gun that has came past my nose has worked with amazing precision and I would put it side by side a Tokyo Marui anyday. An example: I have a friend that has been playing airsoft as long as I have but was always really good and always had good guns. Well, he's had so many of JG's stuff I can't even tell you, basically he's had a lot of airsoft guns through the years and had a lot of trial and error. The gun I remember most was a JG MP5 that looked older than dirt but was only 4 years old, that thing stood every test we put it through, it was hilarious the things we would do to it and yet still worked. We had a cow trample it, it was ran over by two four-wheelers in a row and a car later that evening, we threw it in a pond, a cow did his buisness on it (he sold this gun by the way), etc. The only thing he ever replaced was the plastic folding stock and he did that twice. He currently owns a JG M4 S-System (which is up for sale but this time is in good condition) and he owned it for 2 years and never had problems, the gun is still stock. So if anybody ever asked me what airsoft gun brand I recommended I would tell them JG and the story I just told you.
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I honestly think you can get a much better gun for the same of less money by getting a CYMA AK variant. Take your pick of which one. They're ALL great.
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I honestly think you can get a much better gun for the same of less money by getting a CYMA AK variant. Take your pick of which one. They're ALL great.
That is if you want an AK or like them. :)
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What I'm saying is that for the quality JG provides and the prices that they're sold at that they are well worth your money and will last you a very long time. A lot of their guns in my opinion should be priced way higher but I'm sure not going to argue with low prices. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or anything (well actually yeah I am) but GO BUY A FREAKING JG, THEY ARE AWESOME! Don't listen to people who are hardened against JG because they had a bad experiance with it. I had a JG once I ordered directly from ******* and they had just gotten in my order from the factory so I basically got it from the factory. Well they didn't put the barrel in it, yeah the inner barrel the one the bbs come out I know, so they gave me a $75 factory refund for lazy workmanship and sent me the barrel which I happily installed myself. I still love JG!
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I honestly think you can get a much better gun for the same of less money by getting a CYMA AK variant. Take your pick of which one. They're ALL great.
That is if you want an AK or like them. :)
They make mp5's and now have just released an M4 liscenced through Cybergun. So, CYMA has pretty much every popular gun model covered except for the G36 now. :P
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CYMA's MP5s are decent... BlackieCHan has one, I think Solo does too ...
Not as great quality wise, even with more metal parts on em. Seems the little things, like bolt-slides, sling mounts, and stock catches seem to break or fall off, or malfunction even under moderate use.
Performance wise though, they are just as good stock vrs stock of JG , though.
I figure ICS and G&G MP series would out-do both aspects when it comes to those brands though.
CYMA has it down on AKs... I will give em that hands down.
IF they made the other models ( i've not seen the m4s yet ) , as great... heck, I'd buy stock in CYMA lol.
When it comes to M4 ( or AR varients) ... I just think there something inherently odd with how they are designed... , as much as you can get and do with em... they really don't hold a candle to how well a AK performs, or a G36 for that matter.
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yea i have herd other people say things like that but u are definately right i had src g36 and it worked better than my ca moe m4 it had a better rof a better groupig at 40 ft basacly it was just over all better but i think more people like m4 m16 styles better is because u can do more to them externaly wise and also C.O.D softers like them because of they have used them on cod witch is qute annoying to me and besides mfgs generally make more m4s than thy do g36 or ak styles
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My Cybergun M4 was made by CYMA, and from what I could tell, it was a spot-on clone of the Classic Army m4cqb. Had a great first year with it. Good ROF, accurate hop-up, metal body, no complaints. However, once something in the gb did finally break, it was sort of a domino effect. Still, it was a maruii compatable metal bodied aeg for under $200. As long as you live close to a good pro shop, almost any brand gun can stay up and running. I stick with guns with the v2 gearbox. If something breaks, chances are John has the part in stock. I've had my CYMA M4 break in the middle of an event, took it to Evan, and had it back in the fight before the event was over.
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Well i just purchased a new JG 552 from SoGo and thus far... fires amazingly... feels amazing smooth... everything is in working order and doesnt slide around. Just amazing.
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Very nice gun indeed. I agree fully on the extremely smooth part it's rediculous how smooth it is, or at least from what I used was.
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I had just sold my ancient JG ( the one with plastic Gear Box in it) 552... I do kinda miss it now it' s gone.
I've always liked the 552 platform.
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I had just sold my ancient JG ( the one with plastic Gear Box in it) 552... I do kinda miss it now it' s gone.
I've always liked the 552 platform.
If it loves you, it will come back...wait, does it work that way?
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It may one day all tho it works pritty well as a loaner gun right now... but I'm always up to trade or sell it could come back...