Parley or mutual rule

[armor]

Just want to make sure that I am playing the game right. I ran into a situation ( like I'm sure everyone else has ) where I came around a hard corner with my rifle leveled at an opponents face and his pointed at my face. He said safety and I didn't.  but i argued that we were both dead.( mutual ) I'm not trying to be a *itch but like I said before its only fun and fair if we all play by the same rules..... Can anyone elaborate.

[Metal]

A 'mutual' or parlay is not a 'rule' and it never has been. It's just a suggested common courtesy that honorable and experienced players usually extend to one another.

[chuckysknife3]

Usually just better to just be the mature player and call it(not implying that the other player is immature at all). For instance, at Sogo, it's what, a 20-30 second walk to the respawn? Just my two cents.

[armor]

Not a rule gotcha. Just honorable. Makes since to me.

[Jbagel21]

By what you described, it would definitely be a mutual kill situation, and for the sake of it not turning into a "well fine, I'll just shoot you next time", both players should take it. Obviously, there are a lot of younger players still learning the game, so take that into consideration when this sort of thing happens. That being said, work on saying it. Most of us that have played for years are bad about it (I am fighting the old "Hey you!" all the time), and of late we have all been putting a focus on actually verbalizing the "Safety!" or "You're Dead!". It takes some getting used to, but if you do they can't argue it quite like that.

[armor]

I def need to work on verbalizing my safety's and when called out I admit fault and respawn. but when you are staring down a barrel one or two feet from your face I just think your dead. But like metal said its just an honor thing and I'm good with that. Thanks for the feedback.

[Tang]

The situation that armor described was a situation that happened with him and me. In the past, I would have considered it to be a mutual kill and still would have taken this as a mutual kill today. However, these past few months I have heard countless of people complaining about safety kills. One of these complaints was when player 1 just "safety kill" player 2 (player 1 said "safety"), a few seconds later, another player (player 3) said that they have safety kill player 1. Player 1 argued that they didn't hear a "safety kill" from player 3. Player 3 said he didn't have to say "safety" because they had their sights on them. At So Go Airsoft during the safety briefing, the briefing talks about "safety kills" and not about mutual kill rules. Another thing to remember is that a real steel guns make a huge sound when fired. Saying "safety kill" acknowledges that you have pulled the trigger to discharge the weapon for the kill. I personally think this rule is important and be used when "safety kill" used on another player. Mutual or parley rules should be removed from general play, so all players know and how to use safety kill. If you have played with me recently, you have noticed that I said "safety kill" for all my safety kill. Not only have I said "safety kill", I also say so loud that people are able to hear me in front of So Go.

I have heard from players that "safety kill" is not needed when someone "safety kill" with a tap on the shoulder or head. They have explained to me that these would be considered a knife kill and no sound would be made, which I have no issue with.

[det. mcclane]

Well said, Tang! That pretty much sums it up right there. Though I will add this: I generally try to use common sense when using safety kills. If ya come around the corner and find my pistol barrel an inch from your goggles, please don't try to jerk your gun up and say safety, cause it ain't gonna happen for ya.    Had a younger gentleman at the last night event try to do that and I politely declined it.  Common sense rules, guys.  Keep it safe, keep it simple and have fun, because that's what this game is about. If there's a question, both players take it. Easy as that.

[Reverandff7]

At So Go Airsoft during the safety briefing, the briefing talks about "safety kills" and not about mutual kill rules. Another thing to remember is that a real steel guns make a huge sound when fired. Saying "safety kill" acknowledges that you have pulled the trigger to discharge the weapon for the kill.

              Im not trying to be a stickler but when Jon does the saftey briefing. He does touch on this... he explains when a person is comeing around the cornor with there gun drawn and the other player doesnt then that person is out, but when both people have there gun drawn that both players "Should" call out so there is no dispute of who got who. I will say though everything else you said you have a point. I particularly call my saftey's a little to early most of the time. If someone is coming around the corner and knows im there they call saftey before getting the barrel around the cornor. Most of the time I will call out but i remind them to get there barrel around next time or i wont take it. I just wanted to clear that up thats all sorry if i steped on any toes.

[Tang]

Rev is correct that a person must have their weapon drawn towards the player before saying "safety kill" to receive the kill. However, having your weapon drawn up to a person doesn't count without saying "safety kill". I do agree that people have said "safety kill" to me without having their weapon drawn to me. Normally I would do the same as Rev by taking the kill and reminding the player that the barrel must be pointed towards me before safety kill is executed. In the past, there has been a few players that have said "safety kill" without pointing their weapon. Those players have done this countless of times and are no longer playing with us because of that.

[Reverandff7]

           Agreed sir i have had to many problems with that. People just point there gun and just give you that look like "Duh your dead" but never actually say anything. It goes without saying that you must speak the words for it to happen. There has to be a simulated discharge of your weapon. If someone says "BANG" or "DIE DIE DIE" or "Die Commy Die" then i understand that its a saftey kill.
          I understand if there is a few people in a row and no one notices you and you want to be silent... the hand on the shoulder and a whisper should be good. I know there was the time that Joe got me really good. I was peaking around a cornor and i hear a "Psst hey what you doing" i turned around and there is a pistol barrel pointed at my head. He didnt have to say saftey kill at that point because... well yea. That kind of situation should be a no brainer...