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jesusfreak101112

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liPo batteries
« on: November 23, 2010, 01:11:38 PM »
I have a echo 1 g36 and I am thinking of buying a lipo battery. Do I need to make any upgrades. I just had my gun downgraded to 300 fps. ( Thanks so go )

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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2010, 01:18:52 PM »
I'm not trying to be rude, but why a lipo? Is it a size issue?

jesusfreak101112

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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2010, 02:10:45 PM »
well it is on sale, and I hear that they last longer and bring your rof up.

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2010, 02:33:47 PM »
Yes in away but make sure your other internals can handle the power boost.

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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 03:17:14 PM »
Is it 11.1V or 7.4V? I don't know much about lipos, but is it a quality pack?

Here's my thoughts, if it's not a size thing, I would take good 9.6v nimh battery over a lipo. I just don't see a purpose. It's "fun" or "cool" to have a high ROF, but not very practical assuming you intend on playing games with your airsoft gun. It only takes one BB. I'd rather have 15 RPS than 25 RPS (just examples). I think it actually puts you at a disadvantage to have higher ROFs. Means you will go through more BBs and potentially "run out of ammo" quicker. "intimidation" some would argue, but that shouldn't work on a good player.

Also if the reason you are buying it is because it's "on sale", I would argue that it will cause more stress or require more parts to be able to handle the lipo, which in the end will not save you more money.

so to sum up my thoughts, in a game, it does not give you an advantage, I would argue a disadvantage. And I highly doubt you will save money. Just get a quality 9.6v NiMH.

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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2010, 05:15:59 PM »
I agree with Ka Cause truly in a real game your not doing more then single fire anyways if you want to scare someone then your not going to just hold the trigger down its going to be in bursts of single shots. I mean for example say your only playing with mids or low caps then holding the trigger down while walking toward your target isnt going to help cause then they will know when your out of ammo. You can all ways use a nade for intimidation... i know that does it for me lol. Well and thunder b's cause those just scare me. But in a real match wither it maybe Milsim... Force on Force normal... or senerio unless you have 5k rounds your not holding down the trigger. Just my 2 cents
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2010, 06:59:59 PM »
On a JG G36 ( cause it was my first and been my primary for a long while now)... the internals aren't set up for Lipo.  You'd get about a 9.6 out-put from a standard battery , maybe a touch more than that , using a 7.2 Lipo , it wouldn't exactly tear up the internals any more than a 9.6 would. But it will cause the internals to operate on a higher current out-put, and will break down faster than using a normal battery.

 In order to "lipo ready" the JG, it takes some money, and some know-how to DIY.
First off, JG/Echo-1... not that great on getting grease jobs very good. They usually either have too much, or not enough.  To run a lipo , you really need to have the almost perfect amount of grease for the gears to operate smoothly.
You also need a motor that the bushings aren't going to burn out in, and the pinion strip or break on the gears. It's questionable on stock JG/Echo-1 motors if they are quality enough to run a Lipo for very long. Thats hit and miss, as JG tends to use what motors they can get cheaper... some are better than others.
I forget if you need to replace the gears or not too....
 Anyhoo... The gear box needs to be REINFORCED. what happens is... higher ROF, and harder hitting piston, keeps slamming into a gear box, and can crack the front end of the mech box if it isn't tough enough to take abuse. Again, thats hit or miss at the quality of mechbox JG used. ( Unless you know it's already re-enforced 100% with out a doubt. )
You gotta re-shim the thing too. So nothing jostles out of place.  It helps to have high speed 7 Mm or 8mm bearings as well.

I might be forgetting something else, but I know thats the minimum you gotta do to lipo ready the gun. Other wise, what would last you a few years, will probably only last you six months or less, depending on how much it's used.

 Now that said... 12-15 RPM is actually wonderful blessing. On top of what was already said... you can actually count the shots when auto-firing , and use controlled 3 shot burst easily. 
With-out having to put a mofset in to do it for you. You start getting 20-25 RPM, the BBs fly out so fast, you can't keep track of your ammo counts accurately.

 If ya want to go into a role where you are support and suppress... invest in an M60 , or Saw and those sling large amounts of BBs down range, with decent ROF.  Or save up and get say one of those c mags, attach it to a AEG with a higher ROF already, Like an M16 , or AR 15 model.

 Getting a lipo, and converting a clone to accept it, will run you about as much in cost ( parts and labor if not self done) as it would to buy a lipo ready AEG. A Stock G&G, ICS, or KWA are pretty much Lipo ready stock ... maybe have to do something to the mofset and up the fuse size, but higher end AEGs handle more power alot better than mid level clones do.
Not to mention that on top of gun upgrades, you NEED a SMART BALANCE Charger for any Lipo! Not an option to skimp in that area... the battery will explode, catch fire, or melt-down if not charged properly.  Will. No Maybe. It will.  Those smart balancers that are any good, aren't exactly cheap. Buy a cheap one, and you run the risk of exploding batteries almost as certainly as if you hooked it to straight 110 volts directly to it. ( I might be exaggerating a tad, but just to get the seriousness across of what I mean. )

Handled right, and careful watched.. and balanced. Lipos ( especially 11.4s) Give any AEG a boost in performance. They do last longer, aren't effected by cold... but you got to take very, very , very good care of them.

 A better solution to a Lipo for your G36 to increase ROF... is to buy an after-market high torque motor and drop it in.  I bet Jon would do it for ya ( or his guys) for a small amount, plus cost of the motor.. and most likely fix it later on if something fudged up.  It'd up your stock ROF a bit that way, and you could still use 8.4 and 9.6 volt NiHm batteries.

( On a side not, a new better hop-up and bucking and tight bore barrel will increase your accuracy, and a new piston head and cylinder .. possibly a spring guide too... would greatly increase accuracy no matter your ROF.)  More accuracy, means more hits in less BBs spent.

Hope that helps a bit.

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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2010, 08:23:04 PM »
Wow thats a lot of info, thanks a lot!

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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2010, 08:44:06 PM »
Wow thats a lot of info, thanks a lot!

No problem... I was going to go Lipo with mine too at one point, until I sat down with two good airsmiths and got the ins and outs of batteries, internals, what it'd take and cost...

I'm not even sure if i remembered every detail of it.  I think some AEGs would need low-resistance wiring put into them as well, but that is a bit fuzzy in my memory banks.

 One of these days, I'll get around to upgrading my g36, I'm going to go the accurate route first, and more powerful motor and a m130 spring ( it has a stock m120 already). Since I've had it, my g36 has been a reliable beast. I've been waiting for it to start wearing out, loosing performance before I do any of that though.
I've modded the externals a bit... but it's still stock inside it.  I've fielded it in over 130 games outdoors, roughly about  60,000 BBs shot through it( counting bags of ammo used, not exact shot numbers) , and it still acts as if the spring hasn't even settled in yet. I hadn't noticed any loss of performance, so I'm good with it as it is for now.
I've used it against and with other operators that have KWAs and G&Gs... and I can and have hung right on their level with my 13 RPM stock clone.

The guy that came from Rolla used mine when his g36 went down our last trigger day. He even commented how nice my g36 was.

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2010, 03:01:42 PM »
ya they're really reliable, I just had mine downgraded for cqb, and the guys at so go cleaned my internals a bit and now it's rof is awesome. I've had mine for almost 3 years and it's never screwed up on me.

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2011, 03:06:36 PM »
I love lipo batteries personally. They hold a charge longer than other batteries and don't heat up while charging like other batteries and they're way smaller. I've run lipo's in allot of guns with no ill effects. Important to note is that I use a lipo to gain the immediate trigger response for semi auto. You simply can't get the trigger response that a lipo gives you from any other battery. I shoot semi auto almost exclusively and even if I do fire full auto it's only in bursts. For a DMR that's been upgraded above the field limit of 400fps and you've modified the gun to semi auto only, lipo is perfect. Some guys think guys that use lipo use them just to get the ROFm which some guys do. I have a KWA CQB M4 that I've changed into a high speed setup, so it will crank about 25rps with just a 9.6v. Last weekend at SOGO I hooked up the gun to my lipo and dry fired it in a short burst to make sure it was working fine. Everyone heard it and immediately the was silence and everyone was looking at me in amazement and fear because with a lipo it cranks about 40rps. I had then instilled fear into my opposing team which gave me an intimidation factor. Through the next game I use semi auto only but was doing some real damage because they knew I was the guy with the fast ROF gun. So ROF with a lipo can play a psycological role in a game besides wasting bb's.

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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2011, 04:32:22 PM »
sweet!

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 04:57:56 PM »
oh yes, don't get me wrong.. lipos are primo.

 It'll just wear out your AEG a bit faster is all.  One of these days 'll get around to getting some for my set ups.

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2011, 11:56:07 AM »
What I like about LiPo's is the amount of juice you get from a smaller, lighter weight battery. I can run my Km4s all day on a single charge with it hidden in the foregrip, instead of lugging around a bulky 10.8 NiMh in a pouch or peq box. But as Dragon has mentioned, you have to have an extra strong mech-box to handle it. If you use the 11.1v you'll need an m120 or higher, otherwise the cycle rate will be too high and will shred your gears. Also, I've seen them fry the wiring in others. 
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2011, 12:12:31 PM »
Yeah, you have to be really careful when you use a lipo.

However, using a 7.4v lipo isn't very different than running a 9.6v NiMH battery. The problems start when people start throwing the 11.1v lipos in their guns.

Practicing good battery handling is key as well. I always charge my lipo inside a Lipo Bag. Just keep an eye on them, don't charge them where/when you can't watch them constantly.

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