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jg opinions
« on: November 10, 2011, 04:33:07 PM »
what do u guys think of jing gong airsoft guns accories gear boxes ect...

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Re: jg opinions
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 05:14:28 PM »
I like the body's they hold up really well. I also like the fact that for there internals u really only have to re grease and re shim most of the time. Well I do know some people that put new bushings and piston heads in them but that's upgrades that u might do to any gun depending on wear and tare. Like I said I think they are worth there money it's amazing company that has come a long way since the mid 90s. As dragon said they use to make there internals all plastics so now u see all the metal internals you know. Anyways thats my opinion
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2011, 06:33:32 PM »
yeah,
here's food for thought on JGs...

 That PLASTIC GB JG AEG, has out lasted MANY " Big brands" of AEGS, that have metal gearboxes, supposed "better" internals, by many, many years now.
Their internals are tougher than TM plastics too.  Though, a TM out-ranges a JG usually.

what's good about JGs, NORMALLY they are ready to use right out of the box, and as long as you never try to take it apart... it will operate decently ( though not always the best as far as accuracy goes).

 Now, I've noticed, most JGs develop this , "semi-auto" issue, where you have to monkey with the switch to get it to switch from FA, to Semi again.  I'm not sure why, but on all my JGs ( except for the Sig ) , have had this issue.

New JG gearboxes are fairly good.  They usually have a high resistance spring in em, which does boost FPS, but it takes a strong ( torque) motor to pull em effectively.
Honestly, it's "wasting" power... because a JG's hop-up, bucking, and barrel aren't the best , and usually all JGs out of the box, need to be air-sealed anyways.
Airseal it... put in a m100 or m110 ... and even with the 6.08 barrel and base hop and bucking, it WILL perform better, than the M120 or m130 they tend to use actually does.

Longer battery life when playing ( takes less strain on the motor to pull a lighter spring= more shots) , and even a high torque motor, will increase ROF a bit and trigger response in most cases.

Of course, shimming, and setting gears in proper alignment are almost always needed on JG gearboxes.

Over-all though, you can ALOT worse than basic JG for sure.

I like em.

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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2011, 06:37:52 PM »
See told ya!
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2011, 10:23:38 PM »
Personally, I would never buy another JG, My first real airsoft rifle was a JG G36c, had to send it to the seller twice to get it running, then it worked just fine, as long as I cleaned the barrel. I never actually used it in a game, but I had it sitting around for a year or so. Every one I know that has a had a JG has had problems with the internals. Chad had an MP5 that was constantly messing up...

Echo 1 is the sister company, but with better quality control. I've never shied away from Echo 1 guns.

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2011, 11:07:06 PM »
Again I will state what most of the veteran Airsofters know.  You can always find a few people that don't like a certain brand gun.  Even the best of brands.  In fact I stated earlier that there are certain guns of every brand that I won't carry until they get the problems worked out.  And I can only name 2 that I haven't ran across that problem(Yet).  (TM and Real Sword)  And I am sure I can find some that would say to stay away from those.
So when you talk to someone about a certain brand of gun.  Be sure you dig deeper in your questions.  There are so many variables there.  I used JG MP5 (full stock) for almost 2 years before I had to change them out.  And I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.  Around 40 of them.  I did move over to the CA just because it became a better deal for us at the time.  And I used even more of the JG M4 series throughout the last 4+ years.  Again CA gave me a better deal so I ended up switching.
I used the JG Beta in the beginning and I quickly took it out of the line.  Only because of the selector switch issues.  But it was a hefty gun and people liked it for the short time I used it.

Again this is from a guy who has been in Airsoft since 1998 and seen Airsoft through a lot of changes.  And opened an Airsoft store a little over 4 years ago.
I have seen a few guys buy a CA and have rotten luck with them.  Swearing to never buy a CA again.  And 1000's absolutely love it it and stand by it.  But I can say the same thing about JG and many of the other brands.
Again test fire both and hold both.  Examine and just ask what you want about both.
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2011, 03:49:07 AM »
I've owned a few JG's in my airsoft 'carreer' and I can't honestly say that I've ever had a bad one. Their new 'enhanced version' is the one Jon is refering to, and they do happen to have M130 springs in them. Some of the new JG's are shipping with tightbore barrels. Not sure what the ID is supposed to be , but I've heard that from many sources. My most recent JG was an M16A2 which I got soley for a '93  Army Ranger kit I put together and I got the JG and upgraded it and slapped all the internals into a G&G metal body. I did use it some before tinkering with it and in all honesty, it wasn't a bad gun at all. It had good range and it was fairly accurate. The hopup bucking was a little too hard (in my opinion) and wasn't broken in, so it was a little inconsistant. The motor was very powerful and gave great trigger response and ROF from just a $150 gun.

Now, despite what people say, the JG, Echo1, DBoys, and most brand of the like that produce an AK are actually made by CYMA. CYMA makes some freaking awesome stuff these days, ESPECIALLY their AK's.

But back on track here.... ::) I've owned a JG M4, G36C, and the M16A2 and all were well worth the money I paid for them. Externals aren't so hot, and the internals aren't the best, but you'll get more than your money's worth out of it for sure.

**By the way. Jon's suggestion of throwing in a weaker spring and sealing all your air leaks is a top notch suggestion. It will make that gun preform WAY better whille extending the life of the gun and your battery after each charge.**

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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2011, 10:55:31 AM »
Going on what Jon stated...

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Personally, I would never buy another JG, My first real airsoft rifle was a JG G36c, had to send it to the seller twice to get it running, then it worked just fine, as long as I cleaned the barrel. I never actually used it in a game, but I had it sitting around for a year or so. Every one I know that has a had a JG has had problems with the internals. Chad had an MP5 that was constantly messing up...

Echo 1 is the sister company, but with better quality control. I've never shied away from Echo 1 guns.

 I am the exact opposite in this regard.

 I've found E-1s to be highly inferior , and the "higher" standards of QC supposedly reported, to be non existent. 
But, like Jon said...
and I will say...
even when you buy the "best of the best" , someone is going to get a "lemon" at some point, and from there on out... will not buy another.
Like me... I am NOT going to buy another KWA , not until I see some constant changes in the quality they ONCE had held, but seem to lack nowadays.  Thats me though... hehehe, Metal will tell you all, I am crazy for that aspect still.

 But see... the thing is... every company can and will produce an AEG that malfunctions or performs poorly at some point. Someone will get one, and try to smear the "good name" based off their own limited understanding on how mass production, and QC goes.
No one ( including me) likes getting a lemon deal.  We drop HUGE money on one thing... and we feel "cheated" when it doesn't measure up to what we spent, or desire it to be.

 I PERSONALLY think E-1 is inferior to JG all the way around.
that's because my personal experience with them, has formulated this opinion.

of course...

 I know what "companies" or brands to stay away from at first , just given out there.  Some make stuff, that is cheaply made, and no amount of "upgrading" or repair is possible.

 But here's the real deal...

No matter what you start with...
You will find something else you want more later on.. lol. 

one good thing to do, is start learning Airsmithing if you can.  One of my first thing I did was, hook up with Cody, and help him or watch hm work on AEGs.  Now, I can say Cody is a good airsmith... but even he goes through a "trial by error" basis of repair.  He and I both, have screwed things up here and there.
Though, I did pick up tips and learn from other airsmiths as well.
Like Metal is a good source as well, cause he's been doing it longer... and has more of a mindset like me, when it comes to actual performance vs "popular opinion".
We both look at Bushman's post and what he says as well.

But, the ABILITY to understand how every piece, down to the amount of gear grease to use,a nd how it will effect the performance and reliability of an AEG, will take you far beyond what "brand" of AEG you get ahold of to begin with.

 Like I despise E-1 AEGs, however, if I had one... I now have the knowledge and confidence that I could gut it entirely, and build it into an AEG that will grant reliable performance.  If I hit a "snag" , then I can go to my pool of resources ( other airsmiths) and ask them their opinions.  It cost to build from scratch though... but, since I have other AEGs already able to use ... I don't have to get a project running immediately, and can spread out cost over time to do it.

 No one "brand" of AEG, is with-out faults and quirks.  Given enough time using one, will will find these things just by using em.
Then, you gotta break that down farther for INDIVIDUAL replicas, made by the companies. Individually, there will be more INCONSISTENCY from one AEG on the line, to the next even in the same "batch".

So, it boils down more into PERSONAL preference of what to use and get.

Some AEGs are easier to work on than others, and have "brand new' reliability over other brands.

Knowing through experience, what parts are better than others , what barrels are going to work better, what hop ups seem to work the best, what other modifications seem to hold up well... allows you to "judge" for yourself , if what you got is a POS, and what isn't.

 Also, some "experience" with different brands... like I know JGs fairly well now. I know the "general"  quirks of em.  I STILL can't seem to make the selector switch operate as intended. I do think this is a manufacturing flaw in JGs, and until they change it on the line... they will always have these issues.
( I still say an Electronic fire mode selector , would be better than MANUAL fire mode selection.. but thats me, and my disdain for outdated technology.)

But, another person, even an airsmith... will tell me, this or that, and we might not see eye to eye on every aspect, regarding the different "brands" of AEGs.  Why, because it's all based on previous experience, and limited knowledge we possess.

 So, it boils down... again... get what you like, and feel comfortable on getting.

Is G&G better than JG? <<< That depends.
Is G&G better than CA? <<, also depends ( I will say YES though, lol. )
Is G&G better than ICS? << again, it's a variable equation.
Are JGs inferior to E-1's? <<< I will tell you from experience, no. They are more or less the same, only one has a trade mark on it, and the other doesn't.  More JGs outlast E-1s under heavy use though. But, yet again... it depends.

 So... all in all.

get what you want, and feel comfortable on investing in.
 


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Re: jg opinions
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2011, 02:07:07 PM »
basicaly replying and or agreing withh dragon you are completly right abt jg and if u take care of them then they will probaly work i was just sort asking cause i just bought a jg m16 vn the up graded version and i havent had any problems with it yet maby because of up grades i did and maby not who knows but any way i have had a certain  friend and he cept on buying jgs and they would break and he would bring them to me and i would fix them i just found out to day that im going to half to put a new piston and new trigger asembly in his gun and i just find it  ironic that his breaks all the time and mine has had no problems and another friend bought a echo1 scar-L and it also used to break all the time until i finaly got around to fixing it and i was looking in to buying a jg stubby killer and wanted to know what you guys thought thanks

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2011, 02:52:45 PM »
Well I had zero problems with my JG but I never actually used it so I can't really judge.

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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2011, 05:25:19 PM »
was looking in to buying a jg stubby killer and wanted to know what you guys thought thanks

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2011, 05:35:35 PM »
Take Joe's advice. You can hear all kinds of tesitmonies on here all day long, but in the end you just have to see for yourself. After all, we ARE in the Show Me State. ;)

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2011, 09:08:07 PM »
oh i have done all of that and i really liked it and it did shoot great adam told me alot abt it and it sounded pretty justifiable im pretty sure im gona buy it when i go and get my custom back lol  oh and hey joe how moch did they want for it because i was not wanting to spend more than 200 on it because of how much up grade parts are gona cost once again thanks

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2011, 09:40:46 PM »
The Stubby Killer is definately less than $200.00.  We got more in today.  But I have been working at the CQB so much I can't remember what the cost was exactly while sitting here at home.  Call if you want to know before you come in.

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2011, 12:15:19 PM »
I've had this debate many times with many airsoft players. I have a love/hate status when it comes to chinese aeg's. For every component that impresses me, there'll be one that disappoints. Example, I had a cybergun m4 that came with a metal hop-up, but plastic bushings, metal air nozzle, but plastic piston head. I used to joke and say you get one foot in the gold mine, and the other foot in the toilet! Another thing I would occaisionally see in jg's and cyma's is gb parts glued in place. This can be a real pain for DIY upgrades. That being said, most of them shoot very well out of the box. My brother's $200 cyma AK47 used to out-range my $300 CA m4 by over 50ft! That make all the difference in the world in a field game. It's also been my experience however, that they tend to wear out quickly with the higher voltage batteries. I think Echo 1 and Cybergun are made by jg and cyma, but they appear to be more "hand picked". I think they're a good value for their price, but I just don't get the milage out of them that I do with my Taiwan/Japan guns. If you're as trigger happy as I am, it's worth it to spend the extra 100 bux on a high-end brand.
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