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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2012, 12:30:09 AM »
Umarex G36cv or the KWA ver. II G36c

Personally, I would go with the Umerex. The magical spring system allows for a quick change from CQB to Field.

. . . and do they sell after market cv stocks?
Yes (rare on most non-supporting sites but Jon might be able to find one (or two) and if he needs to buy bulk to get them cheap I might throw in for one)
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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2012, 02:15:22 PM »
I myself have owned pretty much every brand out there over the years and my favorites are easily G&G and CYMA. Yes, personal preference.

If you don't want to be disapointed later down the road, don't buy a KWA. Porkchop was not 100% correct in his statements about them. They have SEVERAL proprietary parts that you usually have to end up buy from KWA's 'Pro Shop' and a lot of times they're out of stock. Even the horrid 2GX gearbox is somewhat proprietary. KWA also uses 2 piece gears on the spur and sector and maybe the bevel gear as well. They also use a metal air nozle that doesn't seal well at all. Lastly, KWA M4's are rather heavy in comparison to some other makers.

CYMA AK's are simply beastly. They do have some downfalls in the gearbox, but nothing that seems to effect them much. They have decent gears, but I doubt they're steel. That term gets thrown around too much anyway by people that have no clue what they're saying. Just because it's metal doesn't make it steel, and even though a magnet might stick to it still doesn't make it steel. Anyways, back to the internals. They do sport metal bushings. They have the average mediocre white polycarb piston and ported piston head. It should be noted that all AK's are stock with a one piece hopup unit. Also, CYMA has recently started making their own specific bucking that is WAY more effective and has much more longevity than the stupidly over priced KWA 2G bucking. No, they're not a Cadilac on the inside, but they are a REALLY solid gun externaly. I have yet to see a CYMA AK take a dive on the D9 team and there are over 10 of them in use with us. For the money you save on the initial gun, you could afford to make an absolute BEAST with the leftovers. I know I could build a gun with the same $300 you might spend on a KWA M4 out of a CYMA AK that would make the KWA go crying home to it's mommy. I know because I've done it....3 times. Keep in mind though, the CYMA AK's too are fairly heavy. Also most shoot too hot even for outdoor play, so if you go with a CYMA AK you'll probably be looking into downgrading the spring immediately.

If you've got to have an M4 and you want one for CQB, I hear tons of good reports on the G&G raider. The cool thing about the G&G pneumatic blowback's is that I have yet to find out without a full cylinder in the gearbox which would allow you to drop in a barrel easily up to 550mm without any ill effects from 'suck back'. G&G doesn't use two piece gears like KWA and they are pretty good quality, not the best, but good. They're black polycarb pistons are great and every bit as long lasting as KWA's pistons. G&G's also come with an excellent ported piston head that give some of the best airseal I've seen out of stock guns. G&G also sports an airseal air nozle. The Raider will also have a one piece hopup unit. G&G radiuses the front of their geaboxes where the front of the cylinder sets which does wonders to prevent cracking, rather than thinking like the morons at KWA and saying 'well we gotta make it BIGGER to be sronger!'. G&G guns use 8mm bushings I do believe and I have no idea what the stock bushings are made of but it's not the greatest stuff. I've personally never seen one break, but it wouldn't suprise me if it did. Their wiring is VERY small. G&G brags on their wiring, but personally it worries me being such a small gauge. That being said though, that wiring cunducts extremely well in comparison to other stock guns' wiring of a larger gauge. With G&G's nylon fiber body, your gun will have more strength than most guns with metal bodies while keeping it much lighter. In one of my youtube videos of OP Bright Rain VI, you can watch me running across open ground with my G&G M4 and taking a spill right into the mud and sliding in it all right on top of my nylon fiber body M4. I pick it up immediately and no later than a minute into the video (with no breaks) you see the gun is fine and still operating properly. Even after I got home I went over that gun everywhere to try to find breaks or fractures and didn't find a single one.

One brand people keep leaving out on here is VFC. VFC is 'up there' as far as overall quality. I'd have to say they're like getting a KWA that is lighter and has MUCH MUCH MUCH better externals. They do have some weak points in their internals. I just got a VFC SCAR L from SoNorUs that he had to replace the piston in. So far though, that has been it's only failure. SoNorUs said he did a lot of research on the SCAR when he had it and his research showed that the pistons were indeed the first and most likely part to fail on a VFC. With VFC though, you'll probably be blowing all of your money on just the gun. That's probably the biggest downfall I can think of with them seeing as I have yet to crack open the gearbox on mine to judge the internal quality.

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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2012, 03:51:03 PM »
Thought I would add, the piston in the vfc shattered, but the rest of the internals were/are solid.


 I also just purchased an Elite Force (VFC) PDW, which was double feeding on semi(second safety) but worked like a boss on full auto. I didn't want to mess with it and email Elite Force. They told me to sent it in, and they covered the cost of return shipping. I received an email today saying they are sending me a brand new PDW. There was no hassle... I never even asked for a new gun. I think I told Metal all I really wanted was a new bucking, and maybe I could save the one in the gun. I'll pay more for customer service like that.   

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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2012, 04:05:08 PM »
Yes the CV stock you can buy it seperatly. The thing is with comparing those two i would say the UMEREX for a couple of reasons and not because i have one. You stated that you would like to have this gun for both CQB and Field if im not mistaken. So that being said let me explain my reasoning... In my review i posted the fact that the UMEREX H&K 36cv has the quick change spring feature. I deminstrated that at sogo in SA/SoGo event a couple of months back... The thing is with this you can a CQB regulated spring and a Field regulated spring. The change takes Flathead screwdriver and a Hex wrench... takes 3 min or less to change the spring and you dont have to sit there and put a gearbox apart or together. I can actually take pictures to demonstrate it... hmm thats a good idea i think i might do that for a DIY thing or put that in my review as a reply... hmm briliant. Plus another bonus to the gun is this you can get it in Dark Earth... there isnt another g36 out there that is DarkEarth unless you paint it yourself. That is my thoughts hope they help.
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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2012, 03:41:24 PM »
So ghost the thread isnt closed yet so i just assumed that you have not gotten your gun... What was your choice? Or have you not chose yet?
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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2012, 05:03:19 PM »
Not to rip off Darth Vader, but Metal, "I find your lack of faith disturbing". lol  I've enjoyed many years of debate with many others players over what brand is truly best, and my experience has been that no brand has proven to be "flawless". I simply haven't seen the issues with either of my KWA's that  a few others I know have seen with theirs. I used to think my CA was the greatest, until something broke. Same story with my son's old ICS, and my friends G&P. I've had my KM4S since '08, and aside from it getting ran over by a car, I've never had a single problem with it, even while running an11.1v lipo through it the entire time. My sr7 has given me two years of problem free performance as well. I'm not alone, many KWA owners are die hards for the same reason as G&G owners, or King Arms, or any other, I think. Good luck with a product instills faith in a brand name just as bad luck can destroy it. I launched a five year smear campaign against ICS once, just 'cause of a problematic MP5. When my KWA was ran over, I had good tech support from their pro-shop, and that was appreciated. This isn't so much of an issue with a gun you get from SOGO, since their guys can take almost any gun they sell and keep it running forever. For what I'm looking for in an aeg, KWA has delivered, but I'm more focused on external upgrades, where Metal and other techs  tend to specialize in what's under the hood. (not selling him short, Metals' AK's have some wicked furniture on 'em too) Some like corvettes, some like mustangs, some like mopar. I think the diversity in personal preference brings more to the game. I'm still KWA all the way.
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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2012, 09:35:45 PM »
*Sigh*

Again with the running over your gun thing? 

You're killing me here.  LOL.
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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2012, 10:57:56 AM »
That event is ingrained in the minds of all of us. Even though I wasn't there. haha

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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2012, 05:51:15 PM »
Well joe this just goes to show that while your stamina on keeping up with the younger ones is great. Your eye site still needs some adjusting.
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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2012, 01:45:56 PM »
LMAO!!! Hey Joe, remember in the movie "Pet Cemetery" when the little boy gets ran over by a speeding semi-truck? It was just like that. hahaha.
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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2012, 07:51:35 PM »
Michael, please tell everyone what gun you have long since purchased.
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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2012, 10:23:42 PM »
Well, forgive me for posting this and not going with what I had originally planned, but Evan recommended me a G&G PM5 (MP5) for CQB and I love it, the only thing I need to replace on it is 2 of the bushings (8mm) but other than that I couldn't be happier with the gun, it's light, looks mean, has rails, and a pretty good ROF for not really doing anything to it (19 bb's per second on 9.6v).  However I'm looking at getting rid of my "Frankenstien" of a JG M4 and looking at a KWA KM4 (carbine) for outdoor (indoor for summer), watching Chris play with his KM4 at So Go and when he used it at an outdoor event it just flabber-gasted me that a gun with a 4 or 5 inch barrel was outgunning me so badly, and all the reviews I've seen on it have pretty much put it above all others and the videos of it just make it sound like a monster of a gun with a 9.6v or 11.1v lipo, and its aluminum so the satisfaction of a full metal gun without having to much of a burden to carry at games, the only problem is its just a plain LE/M4A1, nothing special, but rails and accesories come in due time and looking at getting that around Thanksgiving hopefully, I did look at the G36cv for a while but I like having the all the options for what I want to turn my gun into, and I did look at the CYMA's for a little while but I guess I'm just not an AK guy, but thanks to all you gun guru's for the advice, I do trully apreciate it guys

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Re: Getting New Gun (seeking advice)
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2012, 10:44:34 PM »
Thank you, Ghost.

There are plenty of aftermarket stocks you may find better suited to your project.

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